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What is the meaning of the term white paper. I heard an announcer on NPR talking about a company that was in trouble putting out a "white paper" along with information about their finances.
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I think a good synonym for "White Paper" would be "position paper. I found several sites, but got
error message "server not found". Here's a sample
The etymology of the term dates back to Britain in 1899, when it meant a government
report on policy (such as a position paper). A white paper stated a problem ...
http://www.words.israel.net/iow-tr-whitefaqs.html
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Britain in 1899, when it meant a government
report on policy
It still means the same thing in the UK, and White Papers are still issued by the Government and appointed ("special interest") sub-committees etc.
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If I remember correctly, in politics a white paper is a position paper and a green paper is the final policy which is used to form the basis of a bill (a draft statute) presented to Parliament for approval.
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Hmmmm, white paper, green paper, yellow journalism--are there any other colors related to kinds of writing? Oh, yes, there is purple prose. Any more?
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formerly known as etaoin...
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how about a red paper ( red, read , dya get it do ya, whimper, i scare myself sometimes) 
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Dear Dody,
I'll scare you even a bit more:
Orange-ja glad you red it?
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NY and other east coast cities have blue laws, reguarding time for bars/ working or having a business open on sunday, smut, etc.. they were orginally writing on blue paper... for some reason blue paper was common in colonial days. i think the name has spread to other parts of the nation, but the actual use of blue paper is gone.
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for some reason blue paper was common in colonial days.
Well, that's pretty interesting, of troy. I wonder what the reason was that blue paper was common? I'll bet either you or wwh could find out why!
Now what was the reason green glass was common in colonial times? Heaven preserve me from having to go back through the achives! Does anybody remember offhand? I know we've discussed this color-of-glass subject at length.
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glass, the simplest of glass, naturally has a pale shade of green. with effort, and other mineral salts added, it becomes clear, or a range of colors (cranberry glass= gold salts, pure crystal = lead salts, blue = coblat, etc.)
i think the blue paper was something akin to blue print paper, and could be copied.. but deep blue (royal blue almost) was used to wrap up sugar cones..(no idea why)
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Bringing this back to the top in hopes that someone will provide more information about the colonial use of blue paper.
It is a completely intriguing thought!
And, of troy, of what did you write in talking about those sugar cones? All I can think of are ice cream cones, but I doubt seriously that the colonials had ice cream cones since Dolly Madison has been credited with having brought ice cream to the foreground of national consciousness.
Begging for my little myths to be slashed apart,
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Dear WW: URL about ice cream. Says cones were invented at worlds fair, St.Louis, 1904. Doesn't mention Dolly Madison.: http://www.heresthescoop.com/history.html
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granulate sugar is a post civil war invention. to have sugar granulate, you have to cook it at high pressure (and lower temperature) to boil off enough of the water.. (at high tempertures, the sugar carmelizes)
so up until 1860 or so, sugar was formed into a loaf.. about 12 to 18 high, not quite a cone shape but rather a parabula.. (or like sugar loaf moutain in Brazil) to keep it fresh, it was wrapped in blue paper (and restoration villiages still alway have one or two sugar loaves to show off..)
the sugar was cut with giant scissors, sugar scissors, and then pounded in a mortar with a pestel to make it granulated... so a sugar cone is a sugar loaf is solid white sugar, waiting to be be cut and pounded into granulated sugar..
now days, you can buy block or cube sugar.. but people still say one lump or two? since sugar for coffee and tea was lumpy.. no sense in spending hours to make granulated sugar when lumps would melt in hot beverages..
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In Mexico, they still sell brown sugar in loaves, or cones. That is one hard sugar to pound granulated, I gotta tell you.
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The first thing that I would think of would be the "blue touch paper" in fireworks - also used to mean that you are starting something explosive in more general terms (eg a political debate or an argument). Is that a common term outside the UK - I looked it up quickly and all the mentions of the term seemed to be on British sites.
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Consuelo observes:
In Mexico, they still sell brown sugar in loaves, or cones. That is one hard sugar to pound granulated, I gotta tell you.
Well, in Virginia, in WW's kitchen, you'll find boxes of brown sugar I forgot to close back up properly and, in fact, completely forgot their existence, and, should you drop that block of brown sugar on the counter and attempt to pound it, you're not gonna be successful. I'd put up WW's blocks of brown sugar against any of Consuelo's challengers in Mexico.
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The brown sugar cones in Mexico probably have a higher moisture content than WW's as they have a high molasses content as well. They make marvelous sugar lump cookies.
Oh, boy, another perfectly good thread converted to a food thread! Running away now-e
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Those cookies do sound yummy, Consuelo.
I don't think my solidified brown sugar has much moisture content at all. I think those boxes of brown sugar would make pretty good bricks, and I'd love to see the cracked teeth of the ants that tried to eat those sugar bricks...that is, if ants had teeth.
I'm fascinated, however, with these cones of sugar you and of troy have mentioned today.
And to think it all started with the mentioning of white paper.
All roads should lead to sweet places...
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Manufacturers--of computer components, at least--issue white papers which give specs on their products. They can be more or less detailed, and are written with an eye to the market. They may tend, therefore, to emphasize the positive.
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you're not gonna be successful. I'd put up WW's blocks of brown sugar against any of Consuelo's challengers in Mexico.
Try pounding with a heavy metal meat tenderizer thingie ...or even scraping ... works a charm.
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how about a red paperOr a red letter day  (and what does that mean, anyway? I always assumed a day you get lots of final demands  )
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for some reason blue paper was common in colonial daysThis strikes me as a bit weird, Trojan, which isn't to say it's wrong. But writing on blue paper (unless very pale blue) doesn't read well at all - which would be bad news for laws . Are you sure the laws weren't written/printed in blue ink, like using carbon paper? Not that that would have existed in colonial days, but... ummm.. never mind.
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Dear Fish,
I looked up indigo and paper on the web, and learned that indigo-dyed paper was commonly used for writing paper in colonial days. I'll try to find the url I was reading and will post it here later.
There was an interesting note on one of the sites that the indigo dye used in blue paper was effective as an insect repellant.
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Brilliant detective work, hev I reckon you've sussed the lot, including the "blue laws"!
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Thanks for your help. Yes, indeedy things do tend to mutate from their original form. I am reminded of working with the "Gifted and talented" students. Lots of ideas flying around everywhere. This is just fine with me.
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Re: the indigo dye used in blue paper was effective as an insect repellant.--
Which makes perfect sense! if you were going to have a big 2.5 K(5lbs) loaf of sugar, you'd want something to keep the ants away!
and since all sorts of spiders and mites eat paper, blue paper make a whole lot more sense!
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To be more exact on what a red letter day is:
In missals and prayer books, the Church Kalendar is usually found in the front. Major feast days are shown in red, lesser feasts/observances in black type. Just as, in the text of a rite, such as the Mass, the words to be spoken are in black, the directions are in red, and are called 'rubrics', a word which has been taken up in secular usage. A rubric can mean an aside, or an instructional or clarifying note to a text.
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for some reason blue paper was common in colonial days.
Out of the blue, I should guess that this had to do with an ancient duplicating method (blueprint has the same root). The paper was chemically treated so that the original could be "photocopied" with sunlight, and the copy came out blue.
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swieber writes:
The paper was chemically treated so that the original could be "photocopied" with sunlight, and the copy came out blue.
Still another amazing fact reported on WAWAD, your local fast-fact station!
Now that's a process of heliophotocopying I'd like to see in action!
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And have you noticed just how many of these seem to diverge into food threads?
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Re:a process of heliophotocopying I'd like to see
You can! its not hard to by "sun print" paper... i have some, my neices and nephews thought it was great.. they put down flowers and ferns, on the paper, covered with glass, exposed to the sun, and 'finished' by rinsing with cool water.. I got them in an educational supply store.. i can't remember how much they cost.. (but i didn't balk, and i am so cheap!)
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of troy,
So what did the finished products look like? The flowers and ferns and all?
Curious,
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There are other things in nature that are photosensitive. Cherry wood is one of them. I have to be very careful not to expose my fresh-cut wood to direct sunlight because it begins to change from a pinkish color to a reddish brown very quickly. I just finished the bed for Sasha and took the whole thing outside and exposed it to the sun so all of it would have pretty close to the same color. I even turned it around two or three times to try to even up the exposure prior to putting the tung oil finish on it.
Cherry only gets better with long exposure to light, but you can absolutely ruin a piece by, for example, leaving it out in direct sunlight with a tool sitting on a flat surface. The shadow under the tool will always be a different color from the rest unless you sand down to raw wood. And sometimes that amount of sanding will be detrimental to the flatness of say a table top.
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some were nice, some not as well composed.. the 'shadow' of the ferns and flowere were white to pale blue (lighter even then robin eggs blue) where there was no shadow was a dark, not navy but a dark royal blue.. and some flowers that look pretty don't have good shapes.. ferns have beautiful shape.. roses don't. but try telling that to an 8 year old.. they know roser are prettier!
the brighter the sun light to develop, the darker the blue, the quicker composed the paler the background... since my yard has big oaks, and the sun is dappled, the paper didn't always get to be a dark blue.. (the kids were in a hurry too, it takes about 15 to 20 minutes exposure.. and they wanted them NOW!
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