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#95 - 11/15/00 11:05 AM Re: Handel
tsuwm Offline
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>(a philistine and proud of it)

...but only in regards to choral masterpieces, right?


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#96 - 11/15/00 11:21 AM Re: Handel
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Messiah is my favorite piece

I must say that Rick Wakeman's live solo rendition of the Hallelujah chorus on keyboard is an unarguable all-time great.

Almost as good as the Old Spice commercial!


Fish (another Philistine and proud) on (despite once singing the Messiah with massed voices and instruments) a (Prog Rock rools!) Bike




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#97 - 11/15/00 02:36 PM Re: Handel
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Händel is the only guy I know who could take a word like "iniquity" and make it beautiful.

Your careful use of ä raised an interesting question in my mind. Does anybody know whether GFH, being the devout Anglophile that he was, ever officially anglicised his name? During my teens, I had an intense love affair with the German language, and so invariably called him Georg Friedrich Händel. I have seen several CDs, from reputable labels, in which his name has been completely anglicised. Given that most CDs I see of Tschaikovsky's music now call him Pyotr, I wondered if GF had officially changed his name.



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#98 - 11/15/00 08:58 PM Re: Handel
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Max--

I found this in the Oxford English Reference Dictionary,
in tsuwm's x-refer site:

Handel, George Frederick (born Georg Friedrich Händel) (1685 - 1759)

German-born composer, resident in England from 1712.




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#99 - 11/15/00 09:03 PM Re: Handel
Max Quordlepleen Offline
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I found this in the Oxford English Reference Dictionary,
in tsuwm's x-refer site:
Handel, George Frederick (born Georg Friedrich Händel) (1685 - 1759)


Danke vielmals.



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#100 - 11/15/00 09:07 PM Re: Handel
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does anyone else get Orff on "Carmina Burana"?

Only in the Old Spice commercials.


I once saw a German comedian (his intro was "I am the first German comic. Ever") give Carmina Burana the "Curry Rhapsody" treatment - I laughed until I could hardly breathe. He was parodying the fact that few people have any idea what the words are, as they hum to that incredibly catchy tune.




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#101 - 11/16/00 04:44 AM The whole shooting match
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For some reason classical music leaves me cold. I've been waiting and waiting to become an old duffer so I can finally see the point of Opera, but it just hasn't happened.

Prog rock for me too, Fisk! (Though Wakeman? Yes? Yuk. Genesis and Jethro Tull the only ones worth listening to. With a word of encouragement for Supertramp...)


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#102 - 11/24/00 02:45 AM Re: The whole shooting match
lusy Offline
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For some reason classical music leaves me cold.

Well. I guess that's your problem Shanks, but why would you cut yourself off from a whole new experience. Try a little harder, maybe? The classical drag is not all that bad though some of it certainly is, I have to admit.

And Jethro who? (Joke )

looty


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#103 - 11/24/00 03:03 AM Therein lies the rub...
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Well. I guess that's your problem Shanks, but why would you cut yourself off from a whole new experience. Try a little harder, maybe?

Haven't cut myself off. Have 'tried' it time and again, but realised that, if it wasn't 'speaking to my soul', as it were, then my trying it was like the man, his son and the donkey - doing things for fear of the disapprobation of others.

[rant]
Perhaps classical music isn't really that good. Perhaps it is oversold by those who are glad to belong to an elitist coterie, by those who love the trivia involved, by those who love the hard work and study involved, and by those who grew up with nothing else so they have no ear for any of the other forms. Yes, we can argue until Hell warms up about what makes for great art, or a great art form, but there isn't much advantage to either side, IMO. I'm through with 'trying' classical, or jazz, simply because people tell me if I try it hard enough and for long enough, some of it may stick. Sorry guys, but I've got a life.
[/rant]

I'm sure, in time, that some of it will stick anyway. But I'm willing to wait instead of forcing the issue. In the meantime, I can hum along to the Bee Gees version of Beethoven's 5th, or the Hindi music plagiarisation of Mozart's 40th, and constantly break into the March of the Toreadors (full on Mondegreen!)

cheer

the sunshine warrior


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#104 - 11/24/00 03:53 AM Re: Therein lies the rub...
Max Quordlepleen Offline
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Have 'tried' it time and again, but realised that, if it wasn't 'speaking to my soul', as it were, then my trying it was like the man, his son and the donkey - doing things for fear of the disapprobation of others.


Hear, hear! While I am a fan of classical music, I share your sentiments. Indeed, I echo them when pressed for an explanation of my not having read certain "obligatory" classics - what classical music is for you, Dickens is for me. (I shall now duck for cover)



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