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#73543 - 06/26/02 12:35 PM Re: surprise
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Cretin, too! Cretin is a corruption of Christian, (German? French? one of the languages spoken in switzerland) it was used for the children born to mother with thyroid problems, (goiters)-- infants born to a mother with a severe thryoid deficientcy could be brain damaged.. and the word was used to remind other that they were still christian souls, and should not be mistreated.

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#73544 - 06/26/02 12:40 PM Re: "cretin"
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http://www.dictionary.com also lists this definition of cretin, apparently from computer jargon:

cretin n. Congenital loser; an obnoxious person; someone who can't do anything right. It has been observed that many American hackers tend to favor the British pronunciation /kret'in/ over standard American /kree'tn/; it is thought this may be due to the insidious phonetic influence of Monty Python's Flying Circus.


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#73545 - 06/26/02 12:58 PM Re: "cretin"
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Keiva: you are unwelcome in AWADtalk.

In 1990, theWorld Health Organization estimated that 20 million people in the world had varying degrees of preventable brain damage

This is incomprehensible since iodized salt is so cheap I can see no excuse for WHO or the governments of the afflicted areas failing to provide it. It occurs only where constant leaching washes ioding compounds away. It never occurs within quite a few miles of seacoast, because salt spray carries enough iodide to prevent the disorder.


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#73546 - 06/26/02 03:26 PM Keiva was banned for flaming
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The person known as Keiva, who recently posted on this thread, was banned for flaming. He forced his way back into this forum by implied threats of legal action against Anu Garg, the founder of AWAD. This same person has also been known to post under the names AphonicRants, KeivaCarpal.



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#73547 - 06/26/02 03:36 PM Re: "cretin"
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Bill do you mean that the salt can be absorbed through the skin?




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#73548 - 06/26/02 03:49 PM Re: "cretin"
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No, Belle Marduk: the salt spray has tiny traces of iodide in it, which replaces that washed away
by the rain. It is picked up in crops, the drinking water and possibly other places where it can be
taken in by people. It takes such tiny amounts, that my chem prof in med school could not do
research on iodine metabolism in a room about fifty years old, because someone had used iodine
in experients in his spaces over twenty five years previously, and it had penetrated into walls,
ceilings, and floor in a way it could not be removed, but still contaminated his experiments.

It is because iodized salt is so cheap that the idea of twenty million people being brain damaged
for lack of penny's worth of iodized salt is so totally unacceptable.


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#73549 - 06/26/02 04:06 PM Re: "cretin"
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In 1990, theWorld Health Organization estimated that 20 million people in the world had varying degrees of preventable brain damage

The 1999 WHO report indicates remarkable progess but nonetheless a large remaining problem: Iodine deficiency Disorder (IDD) ... While remarkable measurable progress is being made through universal salt iodization, there are nearly 50 million people who are estimated to still be affected by some degrees of IDD-related brain damage.
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-1999/en/pr99-wha17.html (fifth paragraph)

In March 2002 the WHO reported, "we are on the verge of eliminating it ... The global rates of goitre, mental retardation and cretinism are falling fast." -- but still reported the 50 million number.
http://www.who.int/nut/idd.htm


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#73550 - 06/26/02 04:33 PM Re: "cretin"
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Kieva: you are unwelcome to post anythere in AWADtalk.


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#73551 - 06/26/02 04:34 PM Re: "cretin"
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Land locked places,(switzerland for example) and places naturally deficient in iodine, (and in the days before canned goods) and places where you could not get sea food, all suffered from problems associated with iodine deficiency.

The body's reaction to a iodine deficiency is to first increase the size of the thyroid (since the thyroid needs/uses/regulates iodine use) this is called a goiter.

if a woman has a iodine deficiency, (evidenced by a goiter) she has very large chance of not having enough iodine for her own bodies needs, and will have none to spare to a growing featus. Brain damage is one obvious result, but there is also skeletal damage, and other organ damage, as well.

iodized salt is the same price genearly as plain salt. sea salt, (which is 3 times more expensive!) also contains enough trace amounts of iodine so that nowdays, it is very rare to see a goiter.

there is one school that says there were no neanderthals.. the people we call neanderthals were just early settlers, who were left isolated, and had no trading partners with less land locked peoples. the chronic iodine deficiency, lead to stunted growth, heavy jaws, and slopped head.. an the neanderthals were not 'killed off' by newer peoples coming to europe, but became less neanderthal like, as new people brought codfish, sea weeds and other iodine rich foods in to the areas of central europe were they lived.


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#73552 - 06/26/02 05:55 PM Re: "cretin"
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Anyone interested in goitre is welcome to struggle through this URL. I'd be amazed if
anyone finishes it. It is very long and quite complicated.

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/20_cause.htm


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