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But think about the courage and perseverance required of the oncologists who must live day after day with the constant drain on their mental and emotional reserves of having to keep trying to help an endless succession of such patients.
The professional trials and tribulations of a highly paid medical specialist don't even begin to compare with those of someone who has to live with the consequences of a colostomy, Bill. However, I will concede that an oncologist with a colostomy would receive my sympathy.
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Dear CK Excuse me, but you are full of shit. If you think the oncologists don't get deeply involved with patients, no matter how hard they try to avoid it, you are seriously mistaken.
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However, I will concede that an oncologist with a colostomy would receive my sympathy.
Well my sympathies go out to the person left holding the bag... There are times when clinic is so busy, however, that a Foley catheter and a temporary colostomy would be items of convenience!
But enough jesting. The patients I feel most sorry for are the terminally ill young adults. They are on the verge of the freedom of adulthood and they know they are never going to have it. They're never going to get married, go to Paris or London, have their own kids, publish a novel, play the role of Hamlet, discover a new species of jellyfish, see the Pyramids, graduate from West Point... Whatever their dreams are, they have lived long enough to dream them but not long enough to realize them. As pitiful as it is to see a very young child with a terminal illness, they don't quite know what they're missing compared to the young adult. (My opinion -- I could be wrong.) On the other hand, when you cure a patient's cancer you can feel good about being able to rescue all that possibility -- or at least feel good about having played a small part in its rescue.
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Bill, no matter how deeply the specialists "get involved" with their patients, at the end of the day they can go home and don't have to live with the direct consequences of the illnesses the patients have. An oncologist worried about a patient with a colostomy doesn't even begin to have a problem in comparison with the problems the patient with the colostomy has. Get real. 
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Is it significant, MG, that you waited for your 100th post to "come out"?
Also, I wonder about your name, Modest Goddess. One who describes herself as a "Modest Goddess" is asserting how she wishes to be perceived, not who she is. I may call myself "Adonis" and, by any objective standard, upon comparison with the physical attributes of other men, I may be admirably truthful, but I would not be "modest".
"Modesty" is not the same thing as "humility", of course. "Modesty" is an affectation and, therefore, inherently dishonest. "Humility", on the other hand, is like verdigris on a bronze statue. It develops with age. You might call it the wisdom of the bronze.
Verdigris, like moss etching the features of a stone, has a depth of character, albeit undesigned, which grows beyond the hand or vision of the artist.
"Humility" is like that, wouldn't you say, MG? It is a resonance with truth encountered beneath the surface, an etching of the unconscious beyond the will of its host. In humility, we all apprehend, instinctively, a natural beauty, do we not, a grace one cannot be born into, quite unlike the beauty of a flower, or a nude model posing for an audience.
I wonder if this is the beauty Keats was thinking of so famously, MG. "Beauty is truth, truth beauty. This is all we know of life, and all we need to know."
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Semperon, let me quote something said earlier:
Did you have to wake dogs that were nappin'?
Did you have to get just one more slap in?
When you got the notion
To re-stir commotion,
You ought to have thought what would happen.
It's a shame that you never consult,
Before dragging in words that insult.
Can you leave it alone?
When you picked at that bone,
What did you think would result?
I'm willing to let us forget it.
Just leave it; don't trouble to edit.
But if you again flame dear,
It's not me to blame dear:
If you seek a fight, you will get it.
This is the third time I've responded with rhymed humor to attacks on mod-god. There will not be a fourth time. If quiet humor will not restrain you, then one must be more forceful -- on your head be it.
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Dear Keiva, I can assure you that there are no "tactics" in my employ.
Altho I am new to this Board, I have been around long enough to observe that ASp and Musick are not universally regarded as authorities on proper practice. In fact, it seems you are fresh from a dispute with Musick on a matter of personal conduct yourself. I have no interest in meddling in that muddle, Keiva. I am simply appealing to your sense of fair play.
As for "Modest Goddess", if she has something to say, I am sure she will say it for herself. One can ride to the rescue of a fair damsel, but one is not always rewarded for the effort. Your chivalry is picturesque but unwarranted, dear sir.
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I thank you for your judgment as to when individuals should be supported in the face of attack, and when left to fend for themselves. Having been the attackee and knowing how that feels, I do feel well-positioned to exercise my own judgment, of course giving all due consideration (but not binding effect) to your views.
In this particular case we had a pooh-bah critiquing a new member. I am near enough in time to the latter status to well remember how that feels.
Is there not ample precedent here that two (or many more) people may speak to the same side of a dispute -- as was most recently done without objection when a fair number of folks commented forcibly on my behavior? Sauce for the goose, you know.
But your point is calmly expressed, for which I thank you. May I call you "Adonis"?
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well put semperon.
you comments, well, they could be called a bit strong.. but they are out in public, and very politely phrased, and our modest godess seem to be a person in touch with her self, and able to stand up for her self.
as to her modesty, (or anyone modesty) clothing, or the lack of it, does not in and of its self make one modest. I know, with a nude model, i do not see the person, only the body. when our godess models, she does not strut her stuff, but rather almost the oposite, she remove not only her clothes, but her personality.. she becomes a form. it has to be, i think, one of the most self effacing activities around.
and she has only slowly made indication of her skill with words. she mentions her $100 yearly royalty check, for the writers union, payment for all the time her books have been checked out of the library. but she hasn't yet plugged her book-- but these are just my thoughts.
i don't think our godess needs me to defend her, and i don't even think your words are anything that she need to mount a defence against.
we have at had some threads, where we have shared some personal information, including clues and open statements about our 'handles'-- or self chosen names.
your early post verged on that subject. semperon semper on
always on... always logged in? (if so, you hid the fact)
always on.. on drugs? on call?
you never sleep? or take meals? calls of nature don't call you away from your computer? and even if you are always on line, you're not always on AWAD.
forget being adonis (and here's a tip, i don't look anything at all like helen of troy!) but do tell us about being always on.
discussions about abstract concepts, like the nature of time, have been some of the most wonderful thread going.
maybe, we should have a thread about the nature of modesty, or humility, or even beauty. there are many, and some we have touched upon, tsuwm short essay on the spirit is a fine example.
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