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I suspect you meant H2O rather than Hydrogen
That would have turned my analogy upside down, wwh. There isn't any O2 in H so it is impossible to extract O2 from H. Hence, one cannot "deoxygenate" hydrogen. It simply can't be done. And thinking you are doing it doesn't make it so. Similarly, it is impossible to "debunk" something which is not "bunk" in the first place. No bunk in, no bunk out.

We are completely ad idem on this, wwh. Only when ignorance or fraud is involved should these terms [bunk & debunker] be used.

"Debunking" is a noble undertaking but one doesn't need a Ph.D. to do it. "Bunk" isn't science and it isn't truth ... altho it usually masquerades as one or the other or both.

"Debunk" is a good word to describe the trashing of "bunk" or other "junk science". But let's not confuse it with the refutation of serious science or settled truths.

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There are those who merit both contempt and insults. I am free to insult, but mostly avoid it on the principle that kicking skunks is unrewarding.


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insults are always subjective
An insult is always experienced subjectively (if it is delivered with any effect), but the insult itself is not necessarily subjective. If someone has an IQ under 70, you might insult him by saying he is intellectually deficient, but you would also be stating an objective fact.

So it is with "bunk". It is certainly an insult to dismiss a postulation as "bunk", but that characterization is perfectly accurate if the postulation is merely junk science.

Serious science can never be debunked because it isn't tainted with bunk and it doesn't deserve to be treated as bunk.



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I think we're mostly agreeing with each other. And with much heat, at that.


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But not progressing toward any resolution, eh Max?


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For a while I had a debunking job in Army. When recruits were slow to get up for reveille, I used to grab the foot of their mattress, and jerk it right out from under them, leaving them bouncing on the bare springs. It was a very effective way of debunking them.


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I think we're mostly agreeing with each other. And with much heat, at that. -wofaholicodoc

Naw wofdoc, on slow days we just choose up sides and argue greatly just for kicks...

Everyone agrees:
It is more logical to de- a real bunk.
Everyone agrees:
There are no innate meanings in words, and usage determines meaning.

So if it is not for fun, then...Why are we talking?


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