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The one got me was aphelion, good old Greek word, from ap[o] away from and helios sun

yeahbut, quotha. aph- represents the phonetic variant of the Greek apo- (away from) as used before an aspirated vowel. here's a chalenge: find an aph- word in English that's *not pronounced ef or æf.


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straphanger NOUN: 1. One who grips a hanging strap or similar device for support while riding as a passenger on a bus or subway. 2. One who uses public transportation.



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Good one, Keiva! Despite the many miserable miles I had to hang onto a strap in subway, I could not think of it.


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yeahbut again. I did stipulate aph- and not -aph-, but I'll give you credit for a good aphort.


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OK, tsuwm... you challenged to "find an aph- word [not an -aph- word] in English that's *not pronounced ef or 榼/i>."

"Aphelion" is one example: even the problematic souces while faldage cites give the first syllable as af,not ef. "Aphid" is another example: the preferred pronunciation of the first syllable is long a. So too aphonia.

Of course, I understand that your point probably focused on the ph pronunciation.



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Dear Max: Please don't misunderstand me. I do not condemn all schwas, only the few where the printed vowel helps distinguish between two words, or helps one grasp origins of a word. Haven't any examples ready at the moment, I regret.


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Which proves my point that it can be pernicious, to replace so many other vowels.


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