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Welcome to the board, magimaria! Glad my post helped to nudge you out into the open! Sounds like you're a sure fit here! And don't let that "Stranger-Carpal Tunnel" nomenclature phase ya!...they're just software designations according to the number of posts, is all. And if you have any questions about the workings of the board please feel free to PM me.


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Dear magimaria: I am grateful to see your post. We need all the talent we can get.


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Dear wwh, (and all others)

Don't set the bar too high for me; I'm just a novice in this format. But I have plenty to say, if and when I can figure this out. I have been looking for all of you (!) for awhile, as I am internet/technology challenged. My mind has nearly atrophied after 26 years of hard work and family life; I need some ideas!...

But I knew when I found Anu a few months back, that I had stumbled upon the right place (oh NPR is fine, but who has the time to listen to the radio, much less get on the telephone?)

I will confess to being a bit uncivilized...certainly undereducated where this crowd goes. But timid, I am not! And if I disappear, you'll know I am just lost somewhere in here trying to find my way back! Anyway,I have stuffing to prepare and pies to bake, but I'll be watching all of you....



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Dear magimaria: Limbo if you choose.


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Dear wwh,

What in the &@$#, I mean, world, does that mean?



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There was a challenge to see who could most skillfully go under a low bar. It was called
"limbo". I'll go search for it.

Here is URL:http://www.guides.org.uk/members/brownies/limbo.htm

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wwh,

No need to search. I was actually quite good at that game in my youth. But I'm like a fish out of water here. I thought it might mean leaving one's computer on (while I went domestic, baking my sweet potato pies) and only 'looking in' without interacting (being in limbo, then....) See what I mean about being a bit wild (uncivilized). My mind will just take off on its own....


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Bingley, as W'ON noted, the Pilgrims were 'Puritans' - i.e., a group originally within the C. of E. which favored a more Presbyterian style of Church government, worship style, etc.

From the time of the C. of E. being wrenched away from Rome by Henry VIII, there were constant struggles among various parties as to how far reformation should go. When Henry died, Thomas Cranmer, his archbishop of Canterbury, set about really reforming (very little was allowed by Henry). His first Prayer Book of King Edward VI of 1548, one of the great masterpieces of English, was fairly conservative. Before long the influence of continental reformers, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli etc. spread to England and a number of parties demanded further reform. To try to keep the peace, Cranmer produced in 1552 the second Prayer Book of Edward VI, which reduced the 'popish' features. Even this did not satisfy the most radical reformers, who were becoming known as the Puritans, who wanted a Presbyterian form of church.

The debate was abruptly and nastily ended by the untimely death of Edward VI and the accession of his sister Mary, known to history as Bloody Mary. She had remained Catholic and immediately restored the Roman religion and practice and banned Protestant worship on pain of burning at the stake. She was succeeded after, I think, 8 years by her sister Elizabeth.

Elizabeth I was not, or did not think herself to be, entirely secure on the throne, so she trod warily in matters of religion, doing no more than to switch the country back to Protestantism and the 2nd Prayer Book, but the Puritans continued making a nuisance of themselves, so finally a new edition of the P.B. was issued, making only minor changes. The Puritans kept on pressing for radical reform.

In 1600, Richard Hooker, a C of E priest, published The Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity, another great landmark of English literature as well as a great legal work. This was a defense of the traditional polity and organization of the C of E against the Puritans who had never stopped agitating. It was about this time that many of them decided that they couldn't live under this 'popish' church which refused to cave in to their demands, so they left for Holland, later for America. More fools they. Had they stayed in England and lived long enough, they would have seen the final triumph of the Presbyterian party, when they succeeded in dismantling the C of E under Cromwell.

Anyway, their 'persecution' consisted in being unable to persuade any king or queen or synod or anyone else to re-make the C of E into a Presbyterian system, or to allow nonconformist congregations to enjoy the same status as the established church. Needless to say, when they got to America and were in charge of things, they proceeded to persecute all dissenters from their system. Baptists and Quakers met with much worse fates in New England than Presbyterians had ever suffered in Old England.


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Strangers...

(west coast time)

Could anything be stranger today than the bird my husband just washed?I opted for the free range, natural one, and as my family gathering will be small today, I selected a small turkey for the six of us. Lo and behold, while my 'free-ranger' was surely happy during his short little life, I come to realize the obvious! This bird is all legs (the dreaded dark meat)! Oh, no! No chemically plumped, genetically engineered white breast meat for my family this year!

It looks so scrawny in the breast I am afraid that I might not even get one good slice of white meat. I actually thought about rushing out to the store and buying another, but really, it's the dressing and the mashed potatoes that most of us want (not to mention the sweet potato pies, and those are safe). So, life is stranger than fiction, this bird is stranger than any I have seen in my 20+ years of cooking my own feast, and I am a stranger among you...but not for long!




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