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#46523 11/02/01 03:48 PM
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>(I agree that one could argue that the bank is not part of the river - but no-one did when it appeared above, so I take that as a justification to take it as given.)

I guess, but. we probably can't *know what Heraclitus thought of this point, since all we know of him is from Plato and Aristotle. "You cannot step twice into the same river; for fresh waters are ever pouring upon you." "The sun is new every day." his basic doctrine was that everything is in a state of flux; "nothing ever is, everything is becoming" (Plato), "nothing steadfastly is" (Aristotle).


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a river http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/R0261300.html
 RIVER                    

SYLLABICATION:
riv·er
PRONUNCIATION:
rvr
NOUN:
1. abbr. R. A large natural stream of water emptying
into an ocean, lake, or other body of water and usually
fed along its course by converging tributaries.
2. A stream or abundant flow: a river of tears.
IDIOM:
up the river Slang In or into prison.
ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English rivere, from Anglo-Norman, from Vulgar
Latin *rpria, from Latin, feminine of rprius,
of a bank, from rpa, bank.

How could a river not include its banks?


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ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English rivere, from Anglo-Norman, from Vulgar Latin *rpria, from Latin, feminine of rprius, of a bank, from rpa, bank.


This puts me in mind of the interesting adjective form of "river" -- "riparian" (pron. ripARian). Someone whose land allows access to a river is said to have "riparian rights."

And back to Ants' origianl question, while I *feel like there is a "real" word for what you're thinking of, I'd like to propose the following coinage for those who'd like to be able to get back in that same old river: "homoriparian."


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Oh, sure, Rhuby. Ruin a good comedy routine with logic. Another outside joke?


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Thanks Flatlander-- i never made the connection.. (d'oh!)

but getting back to Ant-- and Ant question.. ant mentions Political and social returns.. and for this i would go back to the idion about a pendulums swing.. what is decent changes.. from ankle lenght skirts for women ot hot pants.. from low cut, bosum exposing blouses, to high necked ones.. in the 50's, premarital sex was a social No No, in the 60's we had a sexual revolutions.. in many way now, we are back to much more conservative sexual mores.. the change in behaviour is driven by disease. but it doesn't matter.

what matters is casual "sleeping around" somthing that was ok, in late 60's and early 70's is not ok now.

in the 50's you might have been labeled a slut, especially if you were a woman and now you are a health hazzard.. but no matter the reasons, chasity is on the rise.. the pendulum swings.
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and tsuwm: retrograde - To turn back, reverse, revert; to make, or cause to become, retrograde. Now rare.

it is? really? the term is used in astronomy all the time -- planets orbits go retrograde.. yes, it is only how it appears from earth, they don't really go backwards.. but the word is used.


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helen, the verb is rare.


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Hi, Ants; a belated welcome aBoard. What about simply 'reconversion', or 'reversal'? Hmm- just realized I was confused by your word entity: I'd been thinking in terms of "a being". Now that I've taken in your last sentence, that changes matters. Though I have no problem with, for ex., "Society has undergone a reversal of outlook". I do think "Society has reverted to..." carries that step-down implication you didn't want. Hope this helps.


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Have I read too quickly, or has the simple word "return" not yet been suggest4ed?


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Geoff said:Hmmm.... Sounds as if you're describing political speeches.

WOW, I've only heard transubstantiation used eucharistically. I live next door to a Catholic church, and every Sunday several Vietnamese guys named Tran show up.


And the two that help the priest with his robes would doubtless be the trans vestite?

And when they walk into church together, that would, of course, be the trans formation.

And the place where they keep the boat they use to smuggle cocaine into the country would, naturally, be the trans port.

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