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#43741 - 10/07/01 05:28 PM Re: taste/flavor
wwh Offline
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The taste of water can also change when the air ordinarily dissolved in it is lost as when it gets warm on standing for a few hours in a glass,and is seen as bubbles clinging to the side of the glass.The water is then said to be stale.
I am a bit skeptical about the assertion that good beer can be made from bad tasting water.

#43742 - 10/07/01 08:13 PM Adelaide Water
doc_comfort Offline

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Loc: Australia

And I'll shout you a Cooper's sometime...

#43743 - 10/07/01 08:56 PM Re: taste/flavor
stales Offline
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Registered: 11/13/00
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Loc: Perth, Western Australia
re "good beer can be made from bad tasting water"

Trust me.

I was taking liberties with the "bad tasting" bit - really was only referring to "fresh" water (as opposed to salty water) with relatively high content of dissolved salts. Good beer is often a product of "hard" water and, in particular, that with an elevated content of calcium - like that in Adelaide (and some parts of Perth where the supply comes from calcium rich groundwater).


#43744 - 10/07/01 09:29 PM Re: taste/flavor
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I can easily imagine a very satisfactory beer being made from hard water, meaning elevated calcium. But when there are sulfides, etc. a lot of treatment would be needed. A couple years ago I was living in a place where the water stank of hydrogen sulfide before it went through the zeolite softener. The water tasted OK after treatment, but I would hesitate to invest in a brewery using it.

#43745 - 10/08/01 08:57 AM Re: taste/flavor
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Dear consuelo: A long time ago I read in a book that Mexicans used to cool drinking water by storing it in a large unglazed ceramic container, which leaked enough water so that the outside was constantly wet. The evaporation of the outside water cooled the container. I believe the name for the container was "olla". When I was on the troopship, our drinking water was made by evaporation and condensation of sea water, and the bubblers delivered very warm water. I covered my canteen with a sock, which I wet when filling the canteen. Evaporation would get rid of the warmth, though I could never get it really cool. Would you call a canteen like that an "olla"? I did, because I didn't know any other word.

#43746 - 10/08/01 02:02 PM Re: taste/flavor
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I'm with you, Dr. Bill. When you were in the East of the US, did you ever drink Iron City Beer? It's made in Pittsburgh, where they have horrible-tasting water. Iron City Beer tastes like they soak sashweights in it. But, of course, there are some natives of western PA who actually like the stuff, having been brought up on Pittsburgh water.

#43747 - 10/08/01 02:36 PM Re: taste/flavor
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Dear BYB: I lived in Philadelphia for a few months, but never got west of there. There was a joke during Prohibition about the bootlegger who got so proud of his beer that he sent a sample to a testing laboratory, and got back a report: "Dear Sir: Your horse has diabetes." A lot of local beers could get a similar report.

#43748 - 10/08/01 02:40 PM Re: sashweights?

What are sashweights? Atomica draws a blank. and aenigma helpfully suggests Saskatchewan

#43749 - 10/08/01 03:30 PM Re: sashweights
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Well wadda' ya know ! A place where age is useful !
Do you know what "double hung windows are?
They are oblong or squarish shaped windows that split in middle so top half can be lowered or bottom half raised. The side part is called the shash.

in "older" days the action of raising or lowering was controlled by ropes which had a weigth attached to keep the window open to where you wanted it. If the weight and ropes weren't working properly then you had to use a stick to prop the lower half where you wanted it.
I lived in a circa 1900 house at one time and had to have a carpenter remove the sash, replace the ropes and re-attach the sashweights and replace the sashs.Then, of course I had to paint the windows!
The sashweights themselves are long slender and silvery color and were made (I think) of lead.
I Googled "sash weights" and several sites came up but I couldn't get any to display. (sigh) You might give it a try, maybe you'll have better luck than I did.

Later Edit try http://freespace.virgin.net/s.free/recon4.jpg
for a cut-away picture. The long blackish thingie is the sash weight!

#43750 - 10/08/01 03:45 PM Re: taste/flavor Beer
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And does anyone remember San Miguel beer in the Philippines? Quality control (about 1969-70) was not very even-handed so one beer would be very mild and the next one had alcohol content so high it would knock you on your a** !
River water was used to make it and the service folks stationed in PI who were beer drinkers liked it!

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