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#42668 - 10/10/01 02:08 AM Re: Gender and Articles
jmh Offline
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>The woman(1) and its husband went shopping, and it bought a pair of new pants.

So, given that the heading is "gender and articles", do the articles under discussion have to be ... em ... underwear?



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#42669 - 10/10/01 02:28 AM Re: Gender and Articles
Bingley Offline
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I think it was Winston Churchill who said of Lambeth Palace, "40 bedrooms and only 39 articles to put in them."

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#42670 - 10/10/01 08:18 AM Re: Formal language, Schmormal language!
Faldage Offline
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The woman(1) and its husband(2) went shopping, and it(1)...

The Language formerly known as Loglan used this convention; pronouns were marked (by vowel choice) to indicate their respective referents in the order those referents appeared in the sentence.


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#42671 - 10/10/01 08:58 AM Re: Formal language, Schmormal language!
Capital Kiwi Offline
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The Language formerly known as Loglan used this convention; pronouns were marked (by vowel choice) to indicate their respective referents in the order those referents appeared in the sentence.

Here, not so much of the "formerly", thanks very much! It's still alive and kicking. See: http://www.loglan.org/ to see just how kicking.

I first dealt with artificial constructs within natural languages when I was doing my post-grad dissertation and I was trying to determine syntactic referents programmatically. I came across a reference to Loglan in the university library, and although it really wasn't much help with what I was doing, I found it absolutely fascinating.

Loa!

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#42672 - 10/10/01 09:12 AM Re: Formally known as
Faldage Offline
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I was first introduced to Loglan (The name is not a legal word in the language, as I remember it) time back way back before the bad time. I had occasion to revisit it recently and found that there had come a splinter group which called their version Lojban (which is a legal word in *that language) which I always want to call Logjam. http://www.lojban.org/ This website seems to suggest that it is *not a splinter group.

Da bi slivi


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#42673 - 10/10/01 11:44 PM Re: Gender and Articles
plutarch Offline
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Why would a table be a "she" and a desk a "he", you say? A table is a fixture we associate with graces and pleasures, especially a dining room table. A "desk", on the other hand, is a fixture we associate with work. (For instance, a desktop computer belongs on a desk not a table.) The French understand such things, I think. Hence, it is not the pieces themselves, but the emotions which men have attached to those pieces which explains the choice of gender. If women had had any say in the matter, a table, in particular, a dining room table, would have been a "him" not a "her". I continue you enjoy my dining room table as a "her" but I have learned to remove my dirty dishes at the end of the meal.


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#42674 - 10/10/01 11:44 PM Re: Gender and Articles
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Why would a table be a "she" and a desk a "he", you say? A table is a fixture we associate with graces and pleasures, especially a dining room table. A "desk", on the other hand, is a fixture we associate with work. (For instance, a desktop computer belongs on a desk not a table.) The French understand such things, I think. Hence, it is not the pieces themselves, but the emotions which men have attached to those pieces which explains the choice of gender. If women had had any say in the matter, a table, in particular, a dining room table, would have been a "him" not a "her". I continue to enjoy my dining room table as a "her" but I have learned to remove my dirty dishes at the end of the meal.


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#42675 - 10/10/01 11:48 PM Re: Gender and Articles
plutarch Offline
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Why would a table be a "she" and a desk be a "he", you say? A table is a fixture we associate with graces and pleasures, especially a dining room table. A "desk", on the other hand, is a fixture we associate with work. (For instance, a desktop computer belongs on a desk not a table.) The French understand such things, I think. Hence, it is not the pieces themselves, but the emotions which men have historically attached to those pieces which elucidate the choice of gender. If women had had any say in the matter, a table, in particular, a dining room table, would have been a "him" not a "her", don't you think. I continue to enjoy my dining room table as a "her" but I have learned to remove my dirty dishes at the end of the meal.


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#42676 - 10/10/01 11:59 PM Re: Gender and Articles
plutarch Offline
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Oops! I'm a "stranger" here ... and it shows. Guess I haven't got the hang of posting yet. Sorry for repeating the same message 3 times.


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#42677 - 10/11/01 10:58 AM Re: Gender and Articles
Bobyoungbalt Offline
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You can delete the duplicate postings. There is a button for "delete this post" at the top of the posting to the right of the title. Only the one who wrote the post can use it.

Actually, I was wrong there -- the button is "edit this post." When you click it you have the choice to edit or delete.


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