Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
#38477 08/14/01 03:33 PM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
R
Pooh-Bah
OP Offline
Pooh-Bah
R
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
Please, help to bring peace to a trouble domestic scene. My dear wife once read a poem, purporting to be by Dorothy Wordsworth, which was a pastiche of Daffodils.
She cannot remeber who wrote it, what it was called, or where she read it, but now urgently needs it (goodness knows for what!!)
Each line of the poem is interspersed with a parenthetical domestic problem, and the poem serves to show that Dorothy was a far better poet than her brother, but that domestic duties prevented her from achieving her true potential.

Any ideas who, what, where?


#38478 08/14/01 03:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
The best I can come up with quickly is The Grasmere Journals. You might get you a copy and give it to her for your next weekiversary or whatever handy occasion is up coming.


#38479 08/14/01 04:02 PM
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
for your next weekiversary

spoken like a man smitten


#38480 08/14/01 07:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Not exactly what you described, Rhuby, but.

http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~broglio/1102/4_15_1802grasmere.html


#38481 08/14/01 08:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
W
wwh Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
Dear RC: I was unable to find an answer to your question, but I did find a very fine Atlantic Monthly article about Wordsworth, his sister, and Coleridge.

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/50dec/mallaby.htm


#38482 08/14/01 09:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 819
G
old hand
Offline
old hand
G
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 819
spoken like a man's mitten

What, gloves can talk?


#38483 08/15/01 06:40 AM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
R
Pooh-Bah
OP Offline
Pooh-Bah
R
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
What, glove scan talk?

they use sign language, Geoff.


Thanks for the links to Dot and Bill - some very interesting stuff there which I enjoyed reading.
But the thingy I'm looking for isn't actually written by Dorothy - it is a modern, female (I think) writer, who is making the point (again, I think!) that Dorothy would have been noted as a better poet than her brother, if it wasn't for the fact that she had to spend all of her time looking after him. (It is a feminist dig at the supposed helplessness of men generally)




#38484 08/15/01 11:59 AM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
This might be worth a look, Rhuby. I couldn't access the actual text, OR register. But perhaps if you try from work, the Oxford University Press will acknowledge you as already registered.
========================================================
Volume 43: January - December 1996
Issue 1: March 1996

Abstract


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

William and Dorothy Wordsworth and Anthony Harrison's Poetical Recreations
D. Wu University of Glasgow, Glasgow, UK



Pages: 32 - 33


Part of the OUP Notes and Queries WWW service



#38485 08/15/01 01:19 PM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
R
Pooh-Bah
OP Offline
Pooh-Bah
R
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
I've tried OUP but can't find the bit you speak of. Do you have the URL, Jackie? it sounds interesting (although rather unlikely to be what I'm actually looking for - none the worse for that, though!)


#38486 08/15/01 03:19 PM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
I'm sorry, I should have put it--but I'd lost my mind and was thinking it was from askjeeves, which adds its own codes: any url I've ever copied from there takes up about half the screen, and often doesn't work. But this is a nice, simple google:
http://www3.oup.co.uk/jnls/list/notesj/hdb/Volume_43/Issue_01/430032.sgm.abs.html


#38487 08/16/01 09:43 AM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
R
Pooh-Bah
OP Offline
Pooh-Bah
R
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
Many thanks, Jackie.

Very interesting, but it still isn't what I'm looking for, I fear!


#38488 08/20/01 02:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 618
D
addict
Offline
addict
D
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 618
Why Dorothy Wordsworth is not as Famous as her Brother

(Lynn Peters)

'I wandered lonely as a . . .
They're in the top drawer, William,
Under your socks -
I wandered lonely as a -
No not that drawer, the top one.
I wandered by myself -
Well wear the ones you can find,
No, don't get overwrought my dear,
I'm coming.'

'I was out one day wandering
Lonely as a cloud when -
Soft boiled egg, yes my dear,
As usual, three minutes -
As a cloud when all of a sudden -
Look, I said I'll cook it,
Just hold on will you -
All right. I'm coming.

'One day I was out for a walk
When I saw this flock -
It can't be too hard, it had three minutes.
Well put some butter in it.
-- This host of golden daffodils
As I was out for a stroll one -

'Oh you fancy a stroll, do you.
Yes, all right William. I'm coming.
It's on the peg. Under your hat.
I'll bring my pad, shall I, in case
You want to jot something down?'


#38489 08/20/01 10:53 AM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Way to go!

And Brava! to Lynn Peters.


#38490 08/20/01 10:56 AM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
M
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
M
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
and as a matter of interest, how did you track it down? I too had read this some while ago, but had no clue where to look!


#38491 08/20/01 02:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439
W
wow Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439
And he didn't even dedicate the poem to her!

I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud
William Wordsworth

I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.
The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed---and gazed---but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:
For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.


#38492 08/21/01 02:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 618
D
addict
Offline
addict
D
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 618
Altavista search for:

Wordsworth daffodils +Dorothy

The "+" is important. Found it on a personal web page. The Dorothy-William thing made for interesting reading. Maybe this William, like a famous other, receives credit for work not his own...


#38493 08/21/01 03:20 AM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
M
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
M
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409

#38494 08/21/01 09:33 PM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511
Altavista search for:

Wordsworth daffodils +Dorothy


The doc shrugs it off. Meanwhile, many of us have been uselessly googl®ing with the same key words. Good on ya, Doc. Thanks. Can you give us an URL, or is the web page too personal?

And thank you, Rhuby, for bringing it up in the first place. Regards to yer wife n cats.


#38495 08/21/01 11:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 618
D
addict
Offline
addict
D
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 618
lol @ "too personal". I usually hear that at the Obstetrics and Gynaecology Clinic.

I was going to post this at the time but lost the page and had a lot of trouble finding it again. Here 'tis...

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~morgan/cheryl/poems.html


#38496 08/22/01 12:10 AM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Since it turns out the poem was not written by the original poet's relative, the following is analogous:

A Parental Ode to My Son
Aged Three Years and Five Months
---Thomas Hood

Thou happy, happy elf!
(But stop,--first let me kiss away that tear!)
Thou tiny image of myself!
(My love, he's poking peas into his ear!)
Thou merry, laughing sprite,
With spirits feather-light,
Untouched by sorrow, and unspoiled by sin,--
(My dear, the child is swallowing a pin!)

The father's pride and hope!
(He'll break the mirror with that skipping rope!)
With pure heart newly stamped from nature's mint,
(Where did he learn that squint?)
Thou young domestic dove!
(He'll have that jug off with another shove!)
Dear nursling of the hymeneal nest!
(Are those torn cloths his best?)
Little epitome of man!
(He'll climb upon the table, that's his plan!)
Touched with the beauteous tints of dawning life,--
(He's got a knife!)

[etc.]



#38497 08/22/01 01:55 AM
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,189
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,189
Here's another, Rhuby...

TO DAFFODILS

by Robert Herrick

Fair Daffodils, we weep to see
You haste away so soon;
As yet the early-rising sun
Has not attain'd his noon.
Stay, stay,
Until the hasting day
Has run
But to the even-song;
And, having pray'd together, we
Will go with you along.

We have short time to stay, as you,
We have as short a spring;
As quick a growth to meet decay,
As you, or anything.
We die
As your hours do, and dry
Away,
Like to the summer's rain;
Or as the pearls of morning's dew,
Ne'er to be found again.




#38498 08/22/01 02:32 PM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
R
Pooh-Bah
OP Offline
Pooh-Bah
R
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
Why Dorothy Wordsworth is not as Famous as her Brother

(Lynn Peters)

'I wandered lonely as a . . .
They're in the top drawer, William,
Under your socks -


THAT'S THE ONE !!!!

many thanks, doc-c,
For bringing bliss
And harmon-y
Once more to this
House of Rhuby.

(Thanks also to WO'N for an interesting sidelight!)


#38499 08/22/01 03:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
W
wwh Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
An interesting theory that Dorothy's playing nursemaid to a couple selfish males prevented her from achieving her apparent poetic potential.But I think there is something deeper: an unwarrantedly poor self-image that kept her from realizing that potential fully or finding romance and and a life of her own.:


#38500 08/22/01 03:40 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
M
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
M
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
or even that she was a third rate poet [scandal!]


Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Jackie 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics13,913
Posts229,361
Members9,182
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
Newest Members
Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV
9,182 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 751 guests, and 1 robot.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
Top Posters
wwh 13,858
Faldage 13,803
Jackie 11,613
wofahulicodoc 10,557
tsuwm 10,542
LukeJavan8 9,919
AnnaStrophic 6,511
Wordwind 6,296
of troy 5,400
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2024 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5