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#38024 - 08/09/01 08:23 PM Re: What's in a name?
francais31415 Offline
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Registered: 01/15/01
Posts: 157
I understand the dangers, but I think that if you are a responsible user of DHMO and understand the consequences, it's OK.


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#38025 - 08/09/01 09:17 PM Re: Naming other names
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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Registered: 03/13/01
Posts: 4189
Loc: Rio Grande, Cape May County, N...
My initial vent of iffy humor here was just a knee-jerk reaction to another environmental cover-up...all of which sets me seething! Another one we've been fighting here, locally, in South Jersey, is Monsanto's marvelous "weed-killer" Roundup. Ostensibly used as a trade-off to allow the Salem Nuclear Plants to operate in violation of the Clean Water Act, and kill billions of fish annually on their intake ducts, is a farce called "Wetlands Mitigation" whereby they claim to be creating so many new acres of wetlands as a tradeoff for their No Cooling Tower deal (they're the only nuke plants in the country allowed to run without the required cooling towers!). Only problem is they've been spraying millions of gallons of Roundup on the marshes to eliminate phragmites as another part of the deal...but the treated areas are now devoid of all plant life, the Roundup effectively killing everything, leaving acres of dead brown tundra on what were once marshes. Also, as part of the "mitigation" they are turning freshwater wetlands into saltwater wetlands...but freshwater wetlands are rarer and, thus, now more environmentally crucial than saltwater wetlands! (Scream!-e) And there is no scientific evidence to demonstrate that the mitigation process has created any spawning opportunities above the norm to replace the annual fish
slaughter. The old Salem and Hope Creek Nuclear plants are also the most accident prone and statistically dangerous in the country...should've been shut-down a long time ago. And the 2 Hope Creek plants are built on an artificial island of mud in the Delaware River over an old fault line...it is calculated that a 3.5 earthquake would sink the island and trigger a meltdown...there was a 2.7 temblor just two years ago. We're talking Wilmington, DE; New York; Atlantic City; Philadelphia; Baltimore; and Washington D.C. here folks! Ah, well...we tried fighting P S E & G and the NRC (a flunky in the pocket of the nuclear industry)...and we lost (so far...see the UNPLUG SALEM campaign at http://www.unplugsalem.org). Our freeholders wouldn't vote to suspend purchasing energy from the plants or pass a resolution asking for their closure. And, now, nuclear energy is back in vogue, at an even more cost effective level (shudder!)--meaning owners are investing in plants who don't know apes*** about their operation, and are planning to run them on smaller budgets...which reads less safety, less supervision. But as long as Monsanto can peddle their toxins, who cares? Now we have corn, soybeans, and other vegetables genetically immune to Roundup so Monsanto can sell only its product to farmers.
But, then, eating chemicals is the Great American Pastime, isn't it? As long as it sells!
Well, there's my environmental rant for the month! Oops...now do we need an Environmental Thread alongside the thread for Politics?



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#38026 - 08/10/01 07:52 AM Re: Naming other names
Vernon Compton Offline
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Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 273
Loc: NZ
In reply to:

But, then, eating chemicals is the Great American Pastime, isn't it? As long as it sells! Well, there's my environmental rant for the month!



"The water has really cleared up here in New York City. You know the
East River, it used to have a head on it. ... We have George W. Bush
to thank for this new clean water. Yeah, it's coming down from the
melted ice caps." ---David Letterman

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/08/06/tomo/index.html


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#38027 - 08/10/01 10:17 AM Re: Naming other names
of troy Offline
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Registered: 10/17/00
Posts: 5400
Loc: rego park
RE: The water has really cleared up here in New York City. You know the East River, it used to have a head on it. ..

Much as i love NY, and sing it glory, and as much as it is true that the East River not really a river at all is cleaner-- the fact remains, if you enter the east river, it is recommended that you recieve a shot of gamma gobulin-- a blood sera that helps your immune system.

some years ago, a plane slipped of the run way at LAG-- and landed in the east river.. everyone was able to slide down the emergency ramp, and land in 3 to 4 foot water, and walk to shore.. but everyone was required "treatment" since exposure to the water of the east river is still a health hazzard.

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#38028 - 08/11/01 11:15 AM Re: What's in a name?
Keiva Offline
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Registered: 08/04/01
Posts: 2605
aptly named Devil's Lake... the lake is polluted with this stuff
A Chicago waterway is still popularly called "Bubbly Creek" for its pollution back in the last half of the 1800's.
The beef slaughterhouses dumped their organic wastes into this creek. Gases from waste-decay constantly bubbled to the surface. "A great open sewer a hundred or two feet feet wide [with] all sorts of strange transformations[,] constantly in motion" Upton Sinclair, The Jungle, 1906


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