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#28442 05/07/01 02:24 PM
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The Wise Old Woman advises juju never to fear the accusation of YARTism.

This Fool likewise suggests that there are even threads in which there are attempts to exorcise the Bogeyman of YARTism.


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'Wood' in Middle English (pronounced to rhyme with 'road'), and in early Modern English (Spenser used it), also meant "very irate" or "mad; i.e., demented" (often the same thing in the Middle Ages). This is the same thing -- a different word disguised like a more familiar one.


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Yes, Tsk tsk, Tsuwm, ticking off the neophyte about Yarting. You can't expect a stranger to know about that, because he/she/they have to be familiar with our quaint folkways, and if he's strange, how could Jujube?


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ticking off the neophyte about Yarting
There ought to be a law that if you want to complain about a YART to a stranger, first you have to spell out what the word is and then direct him or her to the original thread. Is that reasonable?
Although as proven by this thread, complaining about a YART often leads to other interesting and unexplored word territories.
So whatever.

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Yes, Tsk tsk, Tsuwm, ticking off the neophyte about Yarting.


On the one hand, I appreciate that 'tsk tsk' is the standard orthographic convention for this particular expression of sympathy or (in this case) disapproval.

But on the other hand I don't appreciate it one little bit. It took me years as a kid to figure out that the 'tsk tsk' expression I used to read in Disney comics was not pronounced 'tsk tsk' at all, but was in fact that familiar fricative. How on earth and why on earth did that 'k' get in there, Tskuwm?

The real point of course is that 'tsk tsk', however unsatisfactorily it may be spelt, is, I'm delighted and grateful to note... a contranym! (Assuming that it qualifies as a word in the first place. Hmmm.)


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...not pronounced 'tsk tsk' at all...

Good heavens, I always say it as tisk, tisk. What
"familiar fricative" are you talking about, please?


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You don't have to "say" it-- you could just make a noise, by placing you tongue against your lower teeth, and pulling it back quickly-- It makes a "TSK" type noise-- (Your upper teeth should be stacked on top of your lower teeth-- and you lips slightly parted..) it is sometimes described as a "Clucking noise"-- and done softly, it might be directed at a misbehaving child in church-- along with a glare-- to remind them to behave.. I have always read "TSK as this noise, rather than as a spoken word--

Just as i would consider the ! of the bantu language to be a noise in English-- (Lips parted, teeth parted, tongue curled up on to the roof of you mouth (front of palate) and then snapped to the front of the mouthm and down to make a "Knck" sound--)


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But on the other hand I don't appreciate it one little bit. It took me years as a kid to figure out that the 'tsk tsk' expression I used to read in Disney comics was not pronounced 'tsk tsk' at all, but was in fact that familiar fricative. How on earth and why on earth did that 'k' get in there, Tskuwm?

Huh? How else does one say that? I have always heard it as tsk avec the k.


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a t-like sound made by suction rather than plosion; conventional spelling pronunciation, tisk
American Heritage D.

i.e., to do it do the former, to read it say the latter (also, the k gives you something to do after you swallow the t :)


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a t-like sound made by suction rather than plosion; conventional spelling pronunciation, tisk American Heritage D.

D'Oh! Now my Cro-Magnon cerebellum gets it, and I'm entirely with Rusty on this one. If I use "tsk" I say "tsk" Never in a million years would I have tried to spell the sound described above as "tsk" - where is the friggin' k?!


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