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"Pregnancy often comes more than once to the same woman, and in the general population, if man is to survive, it will always be with us."
--Justice Blackmun, 1973
"Daschle expresses qualms on cloning of humans"
--the The New York Times, 2001
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As usual, inselpeter, I have no idea what you are driving at. Blackmun and Daschle are apples and oranges.
The real reason all of us should have qualms about cloning humans, is that the animal clones who looked healthy at first, have in many cases died young, apparently with genetic problems. If eugenics is the motive for human cloning, there must be better ways of achieving it.
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<<as usual, IP, I have no idea what you're talking about...>>
Sigh. I didn't want to mention Daschle at all, and I only did so in order to make myself clear.
I noticed the headline and article in the Times, this morning. This afternoon, I was reading the Supreme Court opinion in Roe v. Wade. The first quotes Daschle, the second was written by Blackmun. The important thing was the years: 1973/2001. I simply find it astonishing that the subject of banning human cloning could appear outside science fiction. What a change! What a short time! Blackmun's certainty, upon which he bases a part of his reasoning, that pregnancy will always remain necessary to the survival of the species... . I realize this borders on an Empathy-style morass, but--I just find the fact of the headline itself remarkable.
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Thank you for the fill-in, insel. When I read your post earlier, I was in a bit of a rush, and my mind failed to make the connection, plus I wouldn't have remembered Dashle anyway. Yes, it is an amazing difference, esp. considering the time-span! Golly, I wonder if the 21st. C will see as much change as did the 20th.? Will our grandchildren think nothing of picnicking on the moon? What I would love would be the super-power that Marianna gave me: instant teleportation. Man, I'd be visiting ALL of you-all! 
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You may teleport yourself here instantly anytime you want, provided you leave the teleporter at home and stick around a while. :) Anytime at all.
Incidentally, I once read that the Star Trek writers came up with the teleporter in order to save the expense of building a landing vehicle on the set.
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-- and here was I, fondly thinking that teleport was the fortified drink that I sup whilst phoning my daughter after dinner! The things you learn on this board!
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And I was wondering if IP thought Daschle was upset by notion of the possibility of a mad female scientist proving males were unnecessary. Ghastly return of matriarchy.
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well scientist working in quantum physics have started to teleport molecles... and there is work being done to build the quatum computer-- which will be needed to build the teleporter for anything bigger than a grain of sand..
so who knows.. we might find that our grand-children are picnicing on the moon.. stranger things have come to pass.
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The virtual personalities won't pass the Turing test by 2010, though, meaning we won't be fooled into thinking that they're really human. But by 2030, it won't be feasible to differentiate between real and simulated people.
--Ray Kurzweil, (from his essay in PC Magazine)
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