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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 3 1 2 3 Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28282 05/04/01 08:52 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 M Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel M Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 .Almost everyone except me now says ke-HOAT-ay or ke-OAT-ay. (Unless they go for holidays on the Costa Brava and imagine they can trot out a KH.) Which (stirring ruthlessly) "begs the question", "how do you say Quixote?" Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28283 05/05/01 05:17 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 328 Eastern Pennsylvania Rapunzel enthusiast Rapunzel enthusiast Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 328 Eastern Pennsylvania "how do you say Quixote?" kee-HO-tee Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28284 05/05/01 08:48 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 M Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel M Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 "how do you say Quixote?" kee-HO-tee Thanks, Rapunzel. I was intrigued by NicholasW's saying "almost everyone except me(italics added) ", and so asked him how he said it, to find out what made him the exception. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28285 05/05/01 09:55 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 328 Eastern Pennsylvania Rapunzel enthusiast Rapunzel enthusiast Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 328 Eastern Pennsylvania Oh. Whoops. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28286 05/06/01 03:18 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA W wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA "how do you say Quixote?" Key-OH-tay wow Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28287 05/07/01 08:10 AM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Oh, how kwicksotic of you all! The idiot also known as Capfka ... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28288 05/07/01 06:28 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,289 B Bobyoungbalt OP veteran OP Bobyoungbalt veteran B Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,289 Don Quixote The French spell it Don Quichotte, and pronounce it something like Donkeyshit. Voila la gloire pour toi! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28289 05/08/01 01:42 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky something like Donkeyshit. Voila la gloire pour toi! Covered with it, are you? (Sorry, Bob, I could NOT resist that one!) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak/Don Juan, et al. #28290 05/08/01 07:40 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London N NicholasW enthusiast NicholasW enthusiast N Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London KWIKS-'t is also dying out. Almost everyone except me now says ke-HOAT-ay or ke-OAT-ay. (Unless they go for holidays on the Costa Brava and imagine they can trot out a KH.) I say it the way it's spelt: KWIKS-'t. In Spanish in Cervantes' day it was ki-SHO-te and so spelt, Quixote. The letter X represented SH as it still does in Basque, Portuguese, and Mexican languages. This pronunciation was taken into French, and given a French spelling Quichotte. (Since then the final -e has become silent in French.) The spelling was taken into English, but was pronounced in an English way, as in 'quixotic'. Attempts to render a Spanish pronunciation are only modern. In Spanish the SH sound changed to KH. The normal source of this sound was Latin GE, GI. The path was something like G > J > ZH > SH > KH. This sound was spelt GE, GI, JA, JO, JU. But there were also SH's that didn't come from Latin -- e.g. Xabier, a Basque name -- so those were spelt with X. In Portuguese X from Latin X can have this pronunciation, so I imagine that was also a source of the Spanish SH sound, but I'd have to look that up. However, once both sources gave the same SH sound and this changed to KH (the modern pronunciation in Juan, jota), the words were respelt with G or J instead of X. So the modern Spanish for the name is Quijote. (So also Javier < Xabier.) Therefore Quixote is an English word and we can pronounce it as it suits us. Since you asked. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Britspeak #28291 05/09/01 10:14 PM Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 25 USA G Gatsby newbie Gatsby newbie G Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 25 USA And what about Welsh? Now there's a whole new topic! 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