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#209632 - 02/19/13 10:00 AM Re: Determinism [Re: Faldage]
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Originally Posted By: Faldage
I ain't sayin' nothin' no mo'.
Thank you, Faldage. A lesser man would not have made an announcement.

Back to Determinism:

Each person if honest can prove to himself that he (or she) is a robot by simple introspection. Sex, food and drink are biological directives not options. The experincing organism -meaning you- perceives the lack of these biological imperatives as displeasure and their realization as pleasure.
We all know this but pretend that we are in charge.

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#209640 - 02/19/13 01:23 PM Re: Determinism [Re: zmjezhd]
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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
So, before the big bang there was something???

So, think some cosmologists. There are theories of multiple big bangs. Multiple universes, too. Not everybody agrees.


I agree, zmjezhd. Cosmologies are suspect because there are so many of them. Oscillating and multiverse constructs seem rooted in mumbo-jumbo math otherwise someone would outshine Einstein.

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#209644 - 02/19/13 03:47 PM Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny]
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5) Nothing can't beget something.

Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends.

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#209646 - 02/19/13 06:03 PM Re: Determinism [Re: BranShea]
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Originally Posted By: BranShea
5) Nothing can't beget something.

Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends.

BranShe, you agree and disagree with me in the same post, and strangely I end up agreeing with both. crazy

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#209662 - 02/20/13 09:07 AM Re: fatalism [Re: jenny jenny]
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Oscillating and multiverse constructs seem rooted in mumbo-jumbo math otherwise someone would outshine Einstein.

Not sure that "mumbo-jumbo math" has a meaning that I can glean. Math is math. Non-Euclidean geometry is still math. I'm not sure that, say, the math behind figuring out the speed of a falling object explains anything about objects or gravity, but it works and can be used for something. I'll take string theory and multiverse cosmologies over the bearded guy in the sky explanation. If nothing they are more aesthetically pleasing.
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Ceci n'est pas un seing.

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#209666 - 02/20/13 01:01 PM Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny]
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Originally Posted By: jenny jenny
Originally Posted By: BranShea
5) Nothing can't beget something.

Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends.

BranShe, you agree and disagree with me in the same post, and strangely I end up agreeing with both. crazy
Then could you agree with me that nothing can beget something? ( which contradicts your fifth amendment?) laugh

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#209686 - 02/21/13 09:11 AM Re: Determinism [Re: BranShea]
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Originally Posted By: BranShea
Originally Posted By: jenny jenny
Originally Posted By: BranShea
5) Nothing can't beget something.

Even nothing is something, we cannot imagine 'nothing' nor the end of ends.

BranShe, you agree and disagree with me in the same post, and strangely I end up agreeing with both. crazy
Then could you agree with me that nothing can beget something? ( which contradicts your fifth amendment?) laugh

Now BranShea (may I call you BS?) you tease me - you well know that all "nothings" are not the same. e.g.
Nothing can become something and nothing can become something are yin and yang - exact opposites. A good ear connected to a good mind will understand this.

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#209687 - 02/21/13 09:49 AM Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny]
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I confess. Just teasing (bad habit). It was too tempting and not seriously taken I hope. smile

BC 's fine.

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#209696 - 02/21/13 02:38 PM Re: fatalism [Re: zmjezhd]
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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
Not sure that "mumbo-jumbo math" has a meaning that I can glean. Math is math. Non-Euclidean geometry is still math. I'm not sure that, say, the math behind figuring out the speed of a falling object explains anything about objects or gravity, but it works and can be used for something. I'll take string theory and multiverse cosmologies over the bearded guy in the sky explanation. If nothing they are more aesthetically pleasing.
Yes, zmjezhd, I agree, like language math has a function. Yet math, like language, is fuzzy in outline mainly because in our Universe there are no two identical entities to add...or subtract...or muliply, even if that difference is only its unique position in time/space.
And I know of no religion that believes God is a bearded or not bearded guy sitting or standing in a sky or not sky Heaven.
Except symbolically.

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#209702 - 02/21/13 10:59 PM Determinism pt, 2 The secret sharer [Re: jenny jenny]
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Since the Faldage saw fit to recuse himself from this ad hoc court I will hereby give the high points of the book he just read but refuses to review. I list the salient points below.

1) When driving and texting or listening to a ball game or just deep thinking; who is doing the driving?
2) A name you couldn't remember suddenly pops into your head. How?
3) Who is dreaming when you dream?

The answer is your undermind. You, your ego, your operating clichés, etc. are merely servo- mechanisms for the real you - your subconscious mind.
He, not you, is driving.

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