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#209266 - 01/27/13 05:43 AM Re: a simple twist of fate [Re: jenny jenny]
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A simple twist of fate

The crocodile was determined to eat the antilope. When the antilope approached the water he hit a small piece of rock that splashed into the water. (cause) The splash made him jump and turn away.(effect) The croc stayed hungry and the antilope thirsty.
( for the time being ) Unpredictability and determinism go hand in hand like old friends.

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#209274 - 01/27/13 01:10 PM Re: a simple twist of fate [Re: BranShea]
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Yes, BranShea, like old friends. smile

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#209287 - 01/28/13 12:37 AM Re: Mumbo Jumbo [Re: tsuwm]
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tsuwm, you're right; thanks. What I get for trying to operate on a severe sleep shortage.

Okay: A slaps B. Then, does determinism say B will slap A in return; probably will slap A, or only possibly?

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#209289 - 01/28/13 07:10 AM Re: Mumbo Jumbo [Re: Jackie]
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No

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#209290 - 01/28/13 09:22 AM Re: Mumbo Jumbo [Re: Faldage]
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Originally Posted By: Faldage
No


Dear Jackie, please let me explain what the Faldage meant when he said "no". He said...

In my few years on Earth I have never had a life experience that could be described as being transcendental.
But what difference does that make? The myriad events that constitute our reality is beyond human calculation so it is best to view the world as being absolutely chaotic.
And from this chaos we can build any logical semantical construct we please.
And it pleases us to bestow on ourselves this concept we call Free Will.


Faldage, of course, would have said this in fewer words. smile

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#209299 - 01/28/13 06:51 PM Re: Mumbo Jumbo [Re: Jackie]
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I did.

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#209305 - 01/29/13 08:01 AM Re: Determinism [Re: Jackie]
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I think determinism, fatalism, predestination, chaos and transcendental experiences are quite compatible whatever JJ thinks Faldage thought when he spoke the heart chilling word 'no'.

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#209306 - 01/29/13 08:53 AM Re: Determinism [Re: BranShea]
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I have spent many hours on philosophy forums discussing determinism and free will. Many people seem to have dogmatic views about these matters, but I have not yet reached any firm conclusions myself.

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#209314 - 01/29/13 06:03 PM Re: Determinism [Re: Jackie]
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Read David Eagleman's book Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain before you come to any conclusions about free will.

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#209320 - 01/29/13 08:42 PM Re: Determinism [Re: Faldage]
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F a l d a g e! We are busy people and we busy people know that all new concepts of any value can be outlined in a few simple words. You know lots of simple words. So OUTLINE! mad

Don't make me reach through this screen and pull you out and slap... or kiss you. frown

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