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#208770 - 01/06/13 06:37 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: maverick]
BranShea Offline
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Well.. thank you. That wasn't short but it was sweet. Thanks for the link. I'll try to fit the 222 minutes total in with my work and maybe get back at this in a week or so. whistle

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#208774 - 01/06/13 08:01 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: maverick]
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"... when you talk about Dylan, he thinks you’re talking about Dylan Thomas. Whoever HE was. The man ain’t got no culture.”

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#208778 - 01/06/13 08:51 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: Faldage]
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It ain't me babe!

I gots many cultures (some of them treatable)

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#208788 - 01/07/13 12:34 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: BranShea]
maverick Offline
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Originally Posted By: BranShea
Well.. thank you. That wasn't short but it was sweet. Thanks for the link. I'll try to fit the 222 minutes total in with my work and maybe get back at this in a week or so. whistle


You are of course welcome smile I seem to remember it as half hour programmes, or was it 40 mins each, so it is susceptible to attack by stealth, pertickly for anyone suffering commutes of any kind.

Total aside: good ole BBC, making this kind of high intent programming freely available, eh? [/cannuck]

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#208851 - 01/09/13 12:29 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: maverick]
jenny jenny Offline
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“Nature, it seems, is the popular name
for milliards and milliards and milliards
of particles playing their infinite game
of billiards and billiards and billiards.”
― Piet Hein
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And presto-change-o we have Culture.
Boys, and Bran and Jackie, I do not relish the idea of me being the bitch in the back of the room screaming bloody murder, but no one here has yet indicated an understanding of the widely accepted mechanism behind the evolution of Culture and everything else, namely, determinism.
I would be less of a human being (and without balls) if I did not say so. So I do.

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#208854 - 01/09/13 04:46 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: jenny jenny]
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Dear bitch in the backroom, I have to take my time. I close off each day with one section of that BBC program. It's real interesting though my words end of this week may be equal to what I started with.
(one quote:"what distinguishes us from other primates is the fact that we developed a larger brain"; no one explains the why of and how that came to be. Must be something like the grain of sand in the oyster.( a beautiful accident) Nothing determined. I want to hear it out. Be seing you. laugh


Edited by BranShea (01/09/13 06:15 PM)

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#208856 - 01/09/13 09:35 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: jenny jenny]
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from the back of the room:

Objection, Your Honor! I know a little sometin' about billiards, and while it has a bit of determinism about it, I wouldn't go callin' it strictly deterministic (ever tried to predict reactions to English on the cue ball?) - not like, say, your computer is deterministic.

Oh,
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
I say, trouble right here in River City.
Why sure I'm a billiard player,
Certainly mighty proud I say
I'm always mighty proud to say it.
I consider that the hours I spend
With a cue in my hand are golden.
Help you cultivate horse sense
And a cool head and a keen eye.
Never take and try to give
An iron-clad leave to yourself
From a three-reail billiard shot?
But just as I say,
It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score
In a balkline game,
I say that any boob kin take
And shove a ball in a pocket.


..and call it Culture.

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#208858 - 01/09/13 09:47 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: tsuwm]
Faldage Offline
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Originally Posted By: tsuwm
from the back of the room:

Objection, Your Honor! I know a little sometin' about billiards, and while it has a bit of determinism about it, I wouldn't go callin' it strictly deterministic (ever tried to predict reactions to English on the cue ball?) - not like, say, your computer is deterministic.


Just because you can't predict what is going to happen doesn't mean it isn't deterministic. It just means that you are incapable of perceiving all the little factors that are doing the determining. And interesting you should contrast the determinicity of billiards to that of a computer. Anyone who has done any work with large computer programs will know how unpredictable something completely deterministic can be. That's why they have people debugging those programs. Even when they look like they're working nice and predictably they send out beta versions to crowd-source the bug hunting.

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#208859 - 01/09/13 09:50 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: Faldage]
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but it's the programmer's and their programs that are unpredictable, not the computers themselves - they can only (deterministically) do what they're told.

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#208866 - 01/09/13 04:41 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: maverick]
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And the pool balls do what they're told. You just can't account for all the little irregularities.

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