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#208123 - 11/26/12 11:37 PM Kilting party
Jackie Carpal Tunnel Registered: 03/15/00 Posts: 11582 Loc: Louisville, Kentucky	My son is going to be wearing a kilt to be in a friend's wedding (oh, this is going to be SO photo-worthy!). How did a kilt come to be called that, please?
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#208125 - 11/27/12 01:35 AM Re: Kilting party [Re: Jackie]
zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Registered: 08/13/05 Posts: 3271 Loc: R'lyeh	It's from a verb in Middle English kilten 'to tuck up'. It's from Scandinavian, Old Icelandic. _________________________ Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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#208129 - 11/27/12 08:10 AM Re: Kilting party [Re: zmjezhd]
BranShea Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 5249 Loc: Netherlands, the Hague	Then to tuck up your kilt would be a redundancy?. Any relation between quilt and kilt?
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#208130 - 11/27/12 09:12 AM Re: Kilting party [Re: BranShea]
Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13667	Quilt comes ultimately from Latin culcita, 'mattress'.
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#208135 - 11/27/12 12:33 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: Jackie]
LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/08 Posts: 5373 Loc: Land of the Flat Water	To tuck up must be akin to the biblical "to gird one's loins". The long robes worn in that era would prevent haste, thus to pick up the hems of the robe and tuck them in to the belt to free the lower legs from obstruction so movement could be quicker. _________________________ ----please, draw me a sheep----
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#208136 - 11/27/12 01:03 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: LukeJavan8]
zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Registered: 08/13/05 Posts: 3271 Loc: R'lyeh	"to gird one's loins". Gird (< ME girden < OE gyrdan 'to gird, bind round; L. cingere') is related to girdle. The concept behind girding is to encircle or put on a belt. Loins weren't the only things being girded in the Old Testament: cf. Lev VIII.7. And he put upon him the coat, and girded him with the girdle, and clothed him with the robe, and put the ephod upon him, and he girded him with the curious girdle of the ephod, and bound [it] unto him therewith. _________________________ Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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#208137 - 11/27/12 01:05 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: BranShea]
zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Registered: 08/13/05 Posts: 3271 Loc: R'lyeh	Any relation between quilt and kilt? Nope (see Faldo's reply for etymology) just a happy coincidence. _________________________ Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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#208141 - 11/27/12 01:56 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: zmjezhd]
LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/08 Posts: 5373 Loc: Land of the Flat Water	Thanks for the research. _________________________ ----please, draw me a sheep----
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#208188 - 12/01/12 12:35 AM Re: Kilting party [Re: Jackie]
Jackie Carpal Tunnel Registered: 03/15/00 Posts: 11582 Loc: Louisville, Kentucky	Thanks, all! zmjezhd, I was going to ask you what men who wear a kilt are tucking up, but I reckon Luke answered that.
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#208562 - 12/31/12 12:28 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: zmjezhd]
maverick Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 4757	> put the ephod upon him Yes, very curious - since I gather this word comes from the Hebrew meaning 'to put on', it looks suspiciously like a translation error, doesn't it?
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#208589 - 12/31/12 05:01 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: maverick]
Rhubarb Commando old hand Registered: 11/13/11 Posts: 1039 Loc: Lancaster, UK	Collins has it so:- an embroidered vestment believed to resemble an apron with shoulder straps, worn by priests in ancient Israel [from Hebrew ēphōdh] _________________________ I'm immortal until proven otherwise
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#208596 - 12/31/12 06:43 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: maverick]
Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13667	Originally Posted By: maverick > put the ephod upon him Yes, very curious - since I gather this word comes from the Hebrew meaning 'to put on', it looks suspiciously like a translation error, doesn't it? MAV?! You're back?
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#208597 - 12/31/12 07:12 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: Rhubarb Commando]
LukeJavan8 Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/08 Posts: 5373 Loc: Land of the Flat Water	Google images of Ephod: https://www.google.com/search?q=ephod&hl...iw=1024&bih=653 <><> Edited by LukeJavan8 (12/31/12 07:13 PM) _________________________ ----please, draw me a sheep----
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#208602 - 12/31/12 08:38 PM Re: Kilting party [Re: Faldage]
maverick Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 4757	> back Hi Fong, Happy New Year to you and the lovely AnnaS. 'Back' may be a little premature, having popped in for a reminder about Tom Swifties, but. Thanks Rhuby and Luke - yes, I get that we're talking about a garment used in religious rituals that is more or less an apron or, schematically, a decorative wife-beater. But the only etymology I found suggested that the noun came from 'aphad', meaning 'to put on'. So the original meaning was something like… And he put upon him the coat, and girded him with the girdle, and clothed him with the robe, and put the ‘thing you put on’ upon him, and he girded him with the curious girdle of the ‘thing you put on’, and bound [it] unto him therewith.
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