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I don't think that music is always "intended to give pleasure to people listening to it".
I agree. I also have *issues with "continuous, unified, and evocative" as well as "significant forms". Upon further reflection, I feel "evocative" might werk.
I'll have to mull this one... over.
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If music didn't give me pleasure...I wouldn't listen to it.
evocative is a good word......but I think emotive might be better.
Music can stir happy thoughts or console you when you are sad, even when you are depressed you may listen to sad music...which may make you even sadder. But sometimes you just want to dwell in your unhappy thoughts. The song Gloomy Sunday, a song composed by Hungarian pianist and composer Rezső Seress is said to cause suicides.
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I'll have to recommend that to some of my
gloomier friends. (Talk about Sadism).
----please, draw me a sheep----
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HaHa...... Billie Holiday does it best Billie
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The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
Well, I've had more time to think about it, and the definition above is pretty close to speaking or at least reciting poetry. There are prosodic elements to even normal speech. In English tone is not used phonemically (e.g., to distinguish lexical items) but supersegmentally to add or affect the syntax of an utterance.
I think the evocative part applies to all art forms. Somehow consuming the work of art produces some kind of emotional response in the consumer. Continuous and unified are problematic, too. What is the longest rest that does not cut a piece into two parts? Also, different songs released on the same CD. They can be more closely unified (concept album, opera, etc.) than other pieces by the same composers/performers.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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I took a music course back in college in the Dark Ages in which one of our early assignments was to come up with a definition of music. I'm not sure I quite remember what it was and what else besides music would have fit in it, but I do remember that it would have excluded John Cage's compositions (well, except for maybe 4" 33'). The relevant part of the definition was that the composer pretty much knew what it was going to sound like when it was done.
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The relevant part of the definition was that the composer pretty much knew what it was going to sound like when it was done. Well now, that is interesting. What if a composer makes it up as he goes along? (Other than the fact that it's unlikely to be a coherent piece, which ain't necessarily a bad thing.) Nice to see you here, muse!  [HUG]
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The relevant part of the definition was that the composer pretty much knew what it was going to sound like when it was done. Well now, that is interesting. What if a composer makes it up as he goes along? (Other than the fact that it's unlikely to be a coherent piece, which ain't necessarily a bad thing.) Well, that describes what they call improvisations. It was usually done at the keyboard, often the organ. Some of them are quite good pieces of music. But even then the composers knew what things were going to sound like, just not putting a lot of thought into it, rather letting their skills dictate what was going to happen. It also defines jazz.
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I know I'm taking your words out of context, Jackie.....but I like the band MUSE 
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The relevant part of the definition was that the composer pretty much knew what it was going to sound like when it was done. Well now, that is interesting. What if a composer makes it up as he goes along? (Other than the fact that it's unlikely to be a coherent piece, which ain't necessarily a bad thing.) Well, that describes what they call improvisations. Then the third option is knowing exactly what you want but unable to get it instantly. You try this and that and you know what you have is not *the* thing. So you keep trying and improvising until you get to a place where you instinctively know "this is it!". It is in between knowing and not knowing. You know what you want but you do not know how to get there. You "waste" (?) or spend a lot of time and effort in the journey searching.
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