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Not so much rs but often th turns to f ... that is regional I believe ... it's spreading though!
Yes, the f for voiceless th and v for voiced th have been going on for a long time. I believe it has spread from Cockney (via Mockney) to so-called Estuary English. It's nothing to be alarmed at. Happens all the time. Currently in American English there is a vowel shift taking place in the north-central states. I haven't heard it here in California yet.
Rs lost sometimes in February but that is just the diffuculty of r after the bilabial
I think it's the two rs in a row that are the difficulty. Oftentimes, one is dropped or dissimulates, like in pilgrim from Latin peregrinus. Anyway, I believe *Febuary pronunciation is quite common here in the States, too.
Do you hear it with other r after bilabial stops? For example:
bing for bring bat for brat pobably for probably
You get the idea ...
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Not really...sometimes the r disappears when people shorten the word probably to pobly (also prolly) but that's just pure laziness I believe :p It will spread down to you soon I fear just as mispronounciations spread over here. It very much annoys when it happens on the news. Earlier today I did however, hear someone say Februay, which took me by surprise.
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These are natural linguistic processes. Nobody ever complains about the missing R in speak, for example, but that happened a thousand years ago or more. It's just people don't like it happening on their watch. If there was a dialect that still had the R in speak and people discovered it, they'd be complaining about it being there.
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missed used I discovered something quite on by accident above: if you type the name of a smiley (grin, crazy, etc.) in between these two brackets: [ and ], the actual smiley emoticon appears. Never mind all those extra punctuation marks and things.
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Back to missing Rs. I have noticed in some non-rhotic dialects that Rs in places where it is very difficult to lose them tend get transmogrified into Vs. Specifically I am thinking of the local pronunciation of Cleary Square in Boston, which is pronounced something like Klee-uh-vy Skway-uh. Perhaps something like this is happening to brought. The resulting V could easily get assimilated into the B.
The fact that you know when people are pronouncing brought "wrong" means that no lack of understanding is resulting from the production of the new pair of homophones.
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I think the understanding comes from the context rather than phonetics...the V thing sounds quite plausible...I shall listen for it next time brought is mis-pronounced! (also it is possible I am the only one who notices the difference as most people around me tend to use bought for both brought and bought )
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My friend Jo (of Jo's helpful hints fame, she said cross-threading), who is British, pronounces Tuesday as chewsday. And there are people, I among them, who at times pronounce him as eem, as in, "Got eem".
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Jackie! Avy! It works. I'm gonna try this one out on other words, hmm.. crazy.. Yes! hmm.. tomado.. [tomado]no. what a dissapointment. cry.. .. Great discovery Jackie. It saves whole seconds of time.
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I think the understanding comes from the context rather than phonetics. Yeah. That's we we allow homophones in the language. There's certainly no phonetics involved when you spot someone using the wrong to/too/two or there/their/they're. You might, as an interesting extra-credit project, try listening for situations where the context is ambiguous and see if other distinctions are made to resolve the ambiguity.
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