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#188638 - 01/09/10 10:51 AM origin of the phrase " sea (sp?) change" I hear it used in political discussions.
Letia Offline
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I would like to know the origin of the phrase "sea change". Thanks.

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#188640 - 01/09/10 11:21 AM Re: sea change [Re: Letia]
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It comes from a song in Shakespeare's The Tempest (link).
Quote:
Full fathom five thy father lies,
Of his bones are coral made,
Those are pearls that were his eyes,
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change,
into something rich and strange,
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell,
Ding-dong.
Hark! now I hear them, ding-dong, bell.
[Fixed misspelling.]
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#188642 - 01/09/10 01:07 PM Re: sea change [Re: zmjezhd]
Faldage Offline
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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
It comes from a song in Shakespeare's The Tempast


That's fine for Tempast, but what about Tempresent?

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#188643 - 01/09/10 02:15 PM Re: sea change [Re: Faldage]
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Zmjezhd's sea-change for tempest. So from the original meaning
' a change caused by the sea' it is more generally used as 'transformation'?
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#188645 - 01/09/10 05:29 PM Re: sea change [Re: BranShea]
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Generally it seems to me it means a major change. Transformation might be a good definition.

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#188646 - 01/09/10 07:30 PM Re: sea change [Re: Faldage]
Buffalo Shrdlu Offline
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a paradigm shift.
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#188650 - 01/09/10 09:31 PM Re: sea change [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu]
Zed Offline
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I had assumed it was a sailor's term for the complete change in sailing conditions that you sometimes get very quickly on the ocean.

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#188653 - 01/09/10 10:28 PM Re: origin of the phrase " sea (sp?) change" I hear it used in political discussions. [Re: Letia]
Jackie Offline

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Welcome, Letia. zmjezhd is right; however, here is a more reliable source than that dumb old Wikipedia.

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#188654 - 01/09/10 11:01 PM Re: origin of the phrase " sea (sp?) change" I hear it used in political discussions. [Re: Jackie]
doc_comfort Offline
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I must admit that I have never heard the phrase used as a generic "transformation"; only ever to describe the move from the rat-race of the city to relaxed sea-side living (most commonly applied to middle-aged couples who move once the nest is empty). The general meaning may well have been (mis-)appropriated by the real-estate industry for all I know. However, I suspect many people would think the general meaning of transformation derived from the concept of a drastic change of lifestyle. cf "tree-change"

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#188656 - 01/10/10 05:32 AM Re: sea change [Re: Zed]
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The Shakespeare line is clear enough, but maybe he uses it as a metaphor from a real sailors' term.

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