#182928 - 02/25/09 09:29 AM
peripatetic - in truespel
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stranger
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I enjoy this is site. I see it uses "no-name-spell" for phonetics. (I call it this because it has no name as far as I can find out). That notation is useful because it's English friendly with no special symbols. Truespel is as well. It's indicated by a tilde(~). See below
peripatetic
PRONUNCIATION:(per-uh-puh-TET-ik)
As I hear it spoken in truespel notation it's ~pairuputtetik
~pair as in "pair"
~up as in "up"
~ut as in "ut" etc.
Note thet stress is first syllable or after a double consonant.
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#182948 - 02/25/09 06:55 PM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: tom zurinskas]
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addict
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I enjoy this is site. I see it uses "no-name-spell" for phonetics. (I call it this because it has no name as far as I can find out). That notation is useful because it's English friendly with no special symbols. Truespel is as well. It's indicated by a tilde(~). See below
peripatetic
PRONUNCIATION:(per-uh-puh-TET-ik)
As I hear it spoken in truespel notation it's ~pairuputtetik
~pair as in "pair"
~up as in "up"
~ut as in "ut" etc.
Note thet stress is first syllable or after a double consonant.
Am I the only one who wants to pronounce it... per-ee-puh-tet-ik (or maybe pe-ree...
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#182949 - 02/25/09 07:27 PM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: doc_comfort]
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old hand
Registered: 12/18/06
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Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
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Am I the only one who wants to pronounce it...per-ee-puh-tet-ik (or maybe pe-ree...
Not quite alone, I'd say perry-puh-tet-ik
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#182951 - 02/25/09 08:07 PM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: tom zurinskas]
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peripatetic
PRONUNCIATION:(per-uh-puh-TET-ik)
maybe it would help to specify that the 'uh's are meant to be schwas: \'per-ə-pə-'te-tik\ [I can't get a schwa to come out]
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#182954 - 02/25/09 10:51 PM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: olly]
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Nope, definitely ee for me. It's much more than a schwa.
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#182969 - 02/26/09 09:45 AM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: tom zurinskas]
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stranger
Registered: 02/25/09
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Loc: W Palm Beach area, FL USA
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That's the problem with present phonetics (IPA SAMPA). Not computer friendly. Not English friendly as well. So folks use no-name-spell as a work around. Linguists are not enamored of no-name-spell so they haven't named it.
I wouldn't use "per" (which rhymes with purr) to represent the first syllable. As the speaker said it, it was "pair", which I think is the right pronunciation.
Actually schwa stands for many sounds so it's not accurate. With truespel I've spelled out all schwas. 63k words are respelled in the truespel.com converter.
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#182970 - 02/26/09 10:18 AM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: tsuwm]
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stranger
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My name, Tom Zurinskas, as foespeld (phonetically spelled) in truespel is ~Taam Zerrinskis~ as my folks would say it.
~aa as in "Saab"
~er as in "her"
~in as in "in" (stressed after double consonant)
~kis as in "kiss"
From my data in truespel book 3, the ~er sound (as in "her") is spelled "er" about 70% of the time.
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#183357 - 03/08/09 08:12 AM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: tom zurinskas]
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That's the problem with present phonetics (IPA SAMPA). Not computer friendly. Not English friendly as well. So folks use no-name-spell as a work around. Linguists are not enamored of no-name-spell so they haven't named it.
Some of us used to use IPA on this board until some change in the software disabled the use of Unicode. I try not to use ad hoc phonetic orthographies because the cause more trouble than they're worth. The problem I have with English-based transcription systems is that they promote weird pronunciations of vowels and consonants that differ from most other languages that use the Latin alphabet. In instances where Unicode IPA is not avilable, I use SAMPA and it works well for me. A third choice would be to name the characters. (I've seen this done in ASCII-only forums where spelling using non-Latin alphabets, e.g., Hebrew). As tsuwm demonstrated, one can talk about schwas without getting the glyph to render on one's screen.
(As always, when such like is discussed, I offer the observation that a reform of English orthography is very likely not to occur in our lifetimes.)
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#184658 - 05/05/09 08:23 AM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: zmjezhd]
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enthusiast
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... a reform of English orthography is very likely not to occur in our lifetimes.) Sad but true.
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#184677 - 05/05/09 10:26 PM
Re: peripatetic - in truespel
[Re: zmjezhd]
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member
Registered: 12/30/08
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Loc: USA, North Carolina
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(As always, when such like is discussed, I offer the observation that a reform of English orthography is very likely not to occur in our lifetimes.) I would note, however, that English orthography is constantly undergoing reform and will continue to do so as long as it remains the lingua franca. AWAD itself is the proof of these facts.
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#189356 - 02/17/10 01:22 PM
schwa
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#189358 - 02/17/10 03:15 PM
Re: schwa
[Re: AnnaStrophic]
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#189360 - 02/17/10 05:37 PM
Re: schwa
[Re: tsuwm]
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Ƒœř Ǭůīŧȅ Şơɱě Ţᵻṁḛ.
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#189364 - 02/17/10 06:10 PM
Re: schwa
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#189366 - 02/17/10 08:24 PM
Re: schwa
[Re: AnnaStrophic]
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#189372 - 02/18/10 08:17 AM
Re: schwa
[Re: BranShea]
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copy and paste
Not me. I just used a utility called Character Map.
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#189393 - 02/18/10 10:07 PM
Re: schwa
[Re: Jackie]
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here somewhere, or do you mean like that Ramsch (sp?) thing?
It's a small utility that came with the operating system. It's called different things on different machines, but MacOS X, Windows, or Linux have all got 'em.
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#189399 - 02/19/10 07:13 AM
Re: schwa
[Re: Jackie]
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Wow, right in my own computer! I never saw that before! How utterly cool! Thank you! [blowing kiss e] I'm going to have fun with that, assuming I can ever find it again. Leave a trail of bread crumbs.
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#189617 - 02/26/10 12:52 PM
Re: WARNING - SeniorNet Alert
[Re: tsuwm]
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Registered: 12/09/02
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Loc: Ohio
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So where do I start looking for it on my computer? I'm a biddie too!
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#189995 - 03/16/10 02:33 PM
Re: WARNING - SeniorNet Alert
[Re: tsuwm]
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journeyman
Registered: 12/09/02
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Thanks, I found it. I've seen it often when using Word or Excel, but didn't know I could get to it otherwise.
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#189996 - 03/16/10 02:36 PM
Re: WARNING - SeniorNet Alert
[Re: Jackie]
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journeyman
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Hi Jackie! Yes, it's been a long time since I hung out here. The flame wars and trolls finally got to me... I guess it's about 5 years - which it doesn't seem should be possible. I will be around once in a while; glad to see some old (not literally!!), familiar user names.
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