#179611 - 10/15/08 12:36 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Hebrew is written phonetically.
Not really. Unless it's the Tanakh (with its nikodoth), they leave off the vowels. In this sense, Italian or Spanish are more phonetic than Hebrew. A phonemically-based spelling system for English would be better than what we've got, but it's hardly likely to happen in our lifetime.
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#179624 - 10/16/08 01:15 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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It is a logical, sensible idea Tim. Which is why I agree with zmjezhd - it won't happen in our lifetime.
(oops my cynicism dial needs to be turned down again)
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#180841 - 12/11/08 11:29 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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I am in agreement: won't happen in our lifetime. And one might wonder when Spanish will be the 'lingua franca' of our world.
It certainly is becoming such in the USA. As a high school teacher I wish it would have been. Always took off for spelling, probably went through thousands of red pens.
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#180842 - 12/11/08 11:30 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Speaking of useless letters in 'taught'
I am told there are 9 pronunciations of the letters 'ough' in English, e.g., cough, though, doughty. Anyone know all nine?
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#180848 - 12/11/08 12:50 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Speaking of useless letters in 'taught'
I am told there are 9 pronunciations of the letters 'ough' in English, e.g., cough, though, doughty. Anyone know all nine? nahbut, here are ten according to wikipedia: link
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#180867 - 12/11/08 05:27 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Thanks tsuwm:
I really appreciate it. You folks sure do know how to find things. And quickly. I knew there were a bunch and someone told me nine, but Wiki had ten.
Now it goes into my "little black book of useless things to talk about a cocktail parties", and just in time too.
Seriously: I am very appreciative.
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#180869 - 12/11/08 05:29 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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While we are at it, and you seem very adept, tsuwm, how do you get things into that box, like the quote of my question in your reply above. (I am really new to computer use and need all the help I can get.)
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#180870 - 12/11/08 05:33 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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While we are at it, and you seem very adept, tsuwm, how do you get things into that box, like the quote of my question in your reply above. (I am really new to computer use and need all the help I can get.) see that Quote button at the bottom of this post? click it!
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#180956 - 12/16/08 01:25 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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I clicked it as you said, and now am clicking the quote button at the top of this page thank you very much: I presume it is the quote box at the top of the page on this 'posting form' that I am to use, yes?
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#180957 - 12/16/08 01:28 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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I clicked it as you said, and now am clicking the quote button at the top of this page thank you very much: I presume it is the quote box at the top of the page on this 'posting form' that I am to use, yes? well, it depends on what you want. clicking the one at top gets you a QUOTE box, as opposed to clicking the one within a post, as I did here, which get you a box quoting the actual poster I'm replying to (i.e., you).
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#180972 - 12/17/08 10:59 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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OK
I'll bite: how do you get it to
l) say the part where you have "originally posted by.....)?
2) get that box within a box.
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#180986 - 12/17/08 10:32 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Speaking of useless letters in 'taught'
I am told there are 9 pronunciations of the letters 'ough' in English, e.g., cough, though, doughty. Anyone know all nine? off, as in cough oh, as in though ow, as in slough or plough uff, as in enough or tough or slough (2) oo, as in through aw, as in nought or bought or brought uh, as in borough the schwa sound (phonetic upside down e) as in thoroughly That's only eight I can think of without looking it up.
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#180993 - 12/18/08 09:28 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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maybe with an accent, burruh? buroh for me.
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#181007 - 12/18/08 10:07 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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maybe with an accent, burruh? buroh for me. Of course, you don't have an accent. Everyone else does, but not you.
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#181010 - 12/18/08 10:44 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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maybe with an accent, burruh? buroh for me. Of course, you don't have an accent. Everyone else does, but not you. That's uh as in the sound of the 'a' in loofa. You say boo-roh? (is that what buroh means?). In the singular I could sometimes say buh-roh, but in the plural, as in 'the rotten boroughs' I would say burras, not buh-rohs.
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#181014 - 12/19/08 07:44 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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no, it's the ough we're talking about, not the bur (it's in bold to show it gets the accent). I don't say ruh (or ras), I say roh. or rohs.
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#181015 - 12/19/08 07:45 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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maybe with an accent, burruh? buroh for me. Of course, you don't have an accent. Everyone else does, but not you. I knew that.
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#181027 - 12/19/08 01:32 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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I clicked it as you said, and now am clicking the quote button at the top of this page thank you very much: I presume it is the quote box at the top of the page on this 'posting form' that I am to use, yes? well, it depends on what you want. clicking the one at top gets you a QUOTE box, as opposed to clicking the one within a post, as I did here, which get you a box quoting the actual poster I'm replying to (i.e., you).
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#181028 - 12/19/08 01:34 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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tsuwm: I think I am getting the hang of it, as per above. It will take some doing. l at the top gets a quote box
2 within the post quoting the quoter or poster. Thanks much, very grateful
Edited by LukeJavan8 (12/19/08 01:37 PM)
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#181030 - 12/19/08 01:40 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Yes I do see what you are saying, and before you responded, and
thanks for that too, I made changes trying to use what you told me and learned something else, "How to make change in Posting"
of which I was unaware.
I realize I can be a Little Brother, or Big Bother, but
I am very appreciative.
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#181031 - 12/19/08 01:41 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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By the way I loved Joe Friday.
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#181087 - 12/22/08 02:16 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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here slough rhymes with through as in threw
(or with tough as has been mentioned enough.)
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#181134 - 12/22/08 10:17 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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here slough rhymes with through as in threw
(or with tough as has been mentioned enough) Depends on the meaning. Which slough is that? Slough (rhymes with plow) is a noun meaning a swamp, as in Bunyan's 'Slough of Despond' in Pilgrim's Progress. In some dialects it is possibly pronounced 'sloe' or 'sloff'? Slough (sluff) is a verb for what a snake does with unwanted skin. It can possibly also be 'sloff' to some? What's the Slough you promounce slew (rhymes with through)?
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#181137 - 12/23/08 01:23 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Our slough (slew) is the half pond half swampy kind. There are two on my uncle's farm that keep the cattle watered but he has to plow around them.
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#181144 - 12/23/08 08:46 AM
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slough rhymes with plow? huh. never heard that.
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#181150 - 12/23/08 11:23 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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slough rhymes with plow? huh. never heard that.The UK (and original) version of The Office takes place in Slough (rhymes with plough). It's a city near Windsor and close by to Maidenhead. The UK poet, John Betjeman, wrote a poem about Slough ( link).
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#181174 - 12/24/08 02:17 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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For years I read old English novels and assumed that we had drafts and they had drots (draughts) and our criminals here went to jail while theirs went to gole (gaol). So much for that wonder literacy talent of sounding out.
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#181180 - 12/24/08 08:18 AM
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So much for that wonder literacy talent of sounding out. Hukkt ahn fahnix.
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#181220 - 12/25/08 02:14 PM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Here in the Northern Plains, a channel of water runoff, similar
to a canal, can be called a slough.
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#181226 - 12/26/08 04:35 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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Here in the Northern Plains, a channel of water runoff, similar
to a canal, can be called a slough.
...and that'd be pronounced ...?
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#181229 - 12/26/08 07:32 AM
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... and that'd be pronounced ...?
I've only heard the /slu/ pronunciation used in the States.
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#181251 - 12/26/08 05:38 PM
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Here in the Northern Plains, a channel of water runoff, similar
to a canal, can be called a slough.
...and that'd be pronounced ...? Yes, it is slu .
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#181254 - 12/26/08 08:16 PM
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Here in the Northern Plains, a channel of water runoff, similar
to a canal, can be called a slough.
Here we would perhaps call that a 'sluice' (rhymes with juice). Maybe where you are it is a corruption of sluice rather than coming from the word for a marshy bog, slough, by dropping off the sibilant sound from the end? (More often though we would call such a thing an irrigation canal or table drain, or race (if associated with mining)).
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#181267 - 12/27/08 12:06 AM
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Maybe where you are it is a corruption of sluice rather than coming from the word for a marshy bog, slough, by dropping off the sibilant sound from the end?I doubt it. The dictionaries don't agree with you. There are many sloughs in California mainly in the delta region ( link and link).
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#181312 - 12/29/08 11:54 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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i]Maybe where you are it is a corruption of sluice rather than coming from the word for a marshy bog, slough, by dropping off the sibilant sound from the end?[/i]
I doubt it. The dictionaries don't agree with you. There are many sloughs in California mainly in the delta region ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_(wetland)]link Thanks for the links, especially the one with the fantastic picture of the Stockton Slough. The slough's here are also named, and, while not as large as the pictured one, some carry small boats from one place to another. And my dictionary agrees with you, but I am yet to check on-line ones. Again thanks for the picture: really good.
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#181373 - 01/02/09 01:52 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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I have not read all the posts in this thread so I may be speaking out of turn. However, I am surprised that no one threw this at the group: GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU
What does that spell phonetically?
Vaughn Hathaway
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#181374 - 01/02/09 01:54 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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I have not read all the posts in this thread so I may be speaking out of turn. However, I am surprised that no one threw this at the group: GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU
What does that spell phonetically? It spells POTATO. Here is the break down: GH OUGH PHTH EIGH TTE EAU If GH stands for P as in Hiccough If OUGH stands for O as in Dough If PHTH stands for T as in Phthisis If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour If TTE stands for T as in Gazette If EAU stands for O as in Plateau Vaughn Hathaway
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#181375 - 01/02/09 02:12 AM
Re: Phonetic spelling?
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... and that'd be pronounced ...?
I've only heard the /slu/ pronunciation used in the States. I grew up in the central Mississippi River valley in southern Illinois. The Mississippi has many such sloughs (slu). Some are dead-ended; others are like linked ponds. In the 1840s and 1850s a series of large floods changed the channel of the Mississippi south of present-day Ste. Genevieve, Missouri, north of present-day Chester, Illinois. Prior to the 1840s, what is today Kaskaskia Island was a somewhat long peninsula of land between the Mississippi on the west and the Kaskaskia or Okaw River on the east. Following the floods, the Mississippi cut across the peninsula and took over the channel of the Okaw forming two very large 90 degree turns. Separating today's Kaskaskia Island which is still a part of Illinois from the State of Missouri is a series of sloughs (slu-s), nearly all of which are navigable with small craft. By the way, a famous English novel includes a slough in its narrative, the Slough of Despond. I don't know if Bunyan pronounced it slu or sluff. The novel is *Pilgrim's Progress* and the author was John Bunyan. Vaughn Hathaway
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#181377 - 01/02/09 03:00 AM
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>I don't know if Bunyan pronounced it slu or sluff. I don't know how Bunyan pronounced it either (or either), seeing as hough how Bunyan is still dead; but the OED pronounces it slow (rhymes with bough), sloo only as a dialect form, and refers to slew as a US or Canada spelling/pronunciation. They drew near to a very Miry Slough... The name of the Slow was Dispond. - Bunyan (1678) [OED2] NB: regarding the variable spellings in Bunyan - link - joe (flat foot floogie with a floy-floy) friday
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#181378 - 01/02/09 04:00 AM
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By the way, a famous English novel includes a slough in its narrative, the Slough of Despond. I don't know if Bunyan pronounced it slu or sluff. The novel is *Pilgrim's Progress* and the author was John Bunyan. Yes I did mention it above I believe. Bunyan probably pronounced it to rhyme with cow. Slew (IPA slu) seems to be dialectical North American for a canal. The English bog is a (IPA) slau.
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#181408 - 01/02/09 07:36 PM
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If GH stands for P as in Hiccough
Only those poor misguided folks at Lake Superior State University would spell hiccup like that.
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#181574 - 01/08/09 12:08 PM
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I have not read all the posts in this thread so I may be speaking out of turn. However, I am surprised that no one threw this at the group: GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU
What does that spell phonetically? It spells POTATO. Here is the break down: GH OUGH PHTH EIGH TTE EAU If GH stands for P as in Hiccough If OUGH stands for O as in Dough If PHTH stands for T as in Phthisis If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour If TTE stands for T as in Gazette If EAU stands for O as in Plateau Vaughn Hathaway WOW. I had not visited this post in awhile, so missed this. Wish I was still teaching would use it as a test or homework assignment.
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#210213 - 04/02/13 10:06 AM
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GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU
What does that spell phonetically? It spells POTATO. Here is the break down: GH OUGH PHTH EIGH TTE EAU If GH stands for P as in Hiccough If OUGH stands for O as in Dough If PHTH stands for T as in Phthisis If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour If TTE stands for T as in Gazette If EAU stands for O as in Plateau Vaughn Hathaway Alternatively, it spells FORTY-TWO (the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything): GH OUGH PHTH EIGH TTE EAU If GH stands for F as in Enough If OUGH stands for OR* as in Ought If PHTH stands for T as in Phthisis If EIGH stands for Y as in Leigh If TTE stands for T as in Gazette If EAU stands for WO (OO) as in Beautiful** *Southern British pronunciation ** Regional British pronunciation ("bootiful")
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#210218 - 04/02/13 11:32 AM
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It's no wonder so many have difficulty with English.
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#211259 - 06/01/13 09:20 AM
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Yes,I agreed according to Wikipedia they are ten.Thanks for sharing link.I visit this and find some good information.
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