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Topic Options #179088 - 09/11/08 05:56 AM Monkfish or Sea Devil BranShea Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 5249 Loc: Netherlands, the Hague Back below sealevel. Monkfish( Lophius piscatorius ) I like to watch the BBC 2 program "Trawler". Yesterday there was a boat with catches of loads and loads of monkfish.When they gave a close up I saw that this is the rather expensive fish we call sea devil. (zeeduivel) What a strange controversial (?) outcome for two languages so closely connected. Top #179089 - 09/11/08 06:23 AM Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil [Re: BranShea] Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 13666 Local names vary widely even within the same language. I can't think of any examples as good as the monk/devil dichotomy offhand but I'm sure someone will come up with some. Top #179102 - 09/12/08 03:17 AM Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil [Re: Faldage] Zed Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/27/02 Posts: 2154 Loc: British Columbia, Canada Anyone know of the origin of the two names? Top #179104 - 09/12/08 06:56 AM Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil [Re: Zed] BranShea Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 5249 Loc: Netherlands, the Hague Well, there's information enough about the monkfish, monkfish and it has other( goosefish ) and local names as well, but what surprised me was that the English names are so undescriptive. I'm a visuality addict and I look at the creature and try to see the monk in it. No way. Seadevil, Yes! just look at it! (link) The other Dutch name Hozemond (Hugemouth)(or maybe Heavemouth) definitely yes. Online etymology has no aswer (so maybe there isn't) Sobeit! Top #179106 - 09/12/08 09:23 AM Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil [Re: BranShea] zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Registered: 08/13/05 Posts: 3271 Loc: R'lyeh Some details about the sea monk (link) which may or may not help. It seems that amongst the fish called monkfish in English are included two genuses: Lophius (anglerfish) and Squatina (angelsharks). _________________________ Ceci n'est pas un seing. Top #179111 - 09/13/08 03:18 AM Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil [Re: zmjezhd] Zed Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/27/02 Posts: 2154 Loc: British Columbia, Canada Erk! I knew it was ugly but I hadn't realized it was BIG. It grows to 5 feet long! Top #179112 - 09/13/08 05:14 AM Re: Monkfish or Sea Devil [Re: Zed] BranShea Carpal Tunnel Registered: 06/23/06 Posts: 5249 Loc: Netherlands, the Hague It was the word. I didn't choose it for ugliness' sake. If you take a look at zmjezhd's link the monk they thought the fish looked like is equally ugly. (Thanks for that link, zmjehzd)). A somewhat farfetched resemblance , but they may have had Savonarola in mind who was actively brandishing sinners a little before that time and was as ugly as a monkfish indeed. Savonarola Well, that monk ended up fried like a monkfish. Top Previous Topic Index Next Topic Preview Hop to: General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. (have been consolidated into a single forum above) ------   Words from medicine   Beheading words   Meta-words   Words from classical mythology   Animal Safari   Words with unusual etymologies   Eponyms or words derived from people's names.   Loanwords from German   English as a global language Moderator:  Jackie  Print Topic Switch to Threaded Mode View profile Send a PM View homepage Add to your Watched Users View posts View profile Send a PM View homepage Add to your Watched Users View posts View profile Send a PM Add to your Watched Users View posts View profile Send a PM View homepage Add to your Watched Users View posts View profile Send a PM View homepage Add to your Watched Users View posts View profile Send a PM Add to your Watched Users View posts View profile Send a PM View homepage Add to your Watched Users View posts Forum Stats 8453 Members 16 Forums 13692 Topics 210108 Posts Max Online: 3341 @ 12/09/11 02:15 PM Newest Members zhangzhen, dene13, MariaAnastasia, MNPrasad, Krysto4 8453 Registered Users Who's Online 0 registered (), 54 Guests and 1 Spider online. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters (30 Days) LukeJavan8 98 wofahulicodoc 70 endymion6 70 jenny jenny 66 teepee 23 Rhubarb Commando 18 Faldage 13 tsuwm 9 anddrewlee 6 Jackie 4 June Su M Tu W Th F Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

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