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#181635 - 01/11/09 01:22 AM Re: hic, hic ! [sic] [Re: zmjezhd]
PastorVon Offline
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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
Following the preposition to it should be dative plural

Audite, audite!


Well, Latin is not my thing either. At least I did not write "the 'hoi polloi'". I can parse Hebrew and Greek; but not Latin.

There was a day in the USA when Presbyterian ministers were required to write a theological treatise in Latin as part of their trials for ordination. That expectation disappeared sometime toward the end of the 19th Century. I was required only to submit an exegetical paper on the Hebrew in a passage from the book of Isaiah; a paper on the history of the Presbyterian denomination in which I was ordained; a theological treatise in English on an assigned topic; and a written sermon on an assigned text from the New Testament; plus three oral examinations.

During my days in seminary, I was unsuccessful in persuading a professor to teach a one-year course in Latin for those of us who had not been exposed to it. My wife had two years of Latin in high school; I had two years of Spanish.

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#181638 - 01/11/09 11:33 AM Re: hic, hic ! [sic] [Re: PastorVon]
Faldage Offline
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Originally Posted By: PastorVon
At least I did not write "the 'hoi polloi'".


Which was exactly my problem. You should have written "the 'hoi polloi'". If you were using hoi polloi in Greek, the hoi means 'the' and should have been declined according to the correct omicron declension. Otherwise, as a phrase we have stolen from a foreign language, hoi doesn't mean 'the' and the phrase falls under the syntax rules of the English language, which requre use of the in this context.

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#181658 - 01/12/09 07:14 AM Re: hic, hic ! [sic] [Re: PastorVon]
The Pook Offline
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Registered: 02/20/08
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Loc: Tasmania
Originally Posted By: PastorVon
There was a day in the USA when Presbyterian ministers were required to write a theological treatise in Latin as part of their trials for ordination. That expectation disappeared sometime toward the end of the 19th Century.

And also on this continent.

Originally Posted By: PastorVon
a paper on the history of the Presbyterian denomination in which I was ordained


You're a Presbyterian? For some reason I thought you were Lutheran.

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#181704 - 01/13/09 04:53 PM Re: hic, hic ! [sic] [Re: The Pook]
PastorVon Offline
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Originally Posted By: The Pook
Originally Posted By: PastorVon
There was a day in the USA when Presbyterian ministers were required to write a theological treatise in Latin as part of their trials for ordination. That expectation disappeared sometime toward the end of the 19th Century.

And also on this continent.

Originally Posted By: PastorVon
a paper on the history of the Presbyterian denomination in which I was ordained


You're a Presbyterian? For some reason I thought you were Lutheran.


Well, I did have both influences in my rearing. The grandmother in whose home I grew up was Lutheran; but she respected the affiliation of my deceased mother who was Presbyterian. You might say that I had a Reformational Ecumencial rearing.

My mother was Presbyterian because Chester, Illinois did not have a Christian Church (i.e. Disciples of Christ.) Her father was reared as a Primitive Baptist; but was theologically and socially liberal. He joined the Disciples and reared his family in it. When the family moved from Missouri to Illinois, there was no Disciples Church, therefore they joined the Presbyterian Church (from which the Disciples traced their origin.)

My grandmother was Missouri Synod Lutheran. Her husband was Methodist. He died before I was born. They lived in Ste Genevieve, MO, a Roman Catholic town. The only Protestant church was a mission supplied by ministers from the Presbyterians and the Methodists. My father became a Presbyterian because he joined the church on a day that a Presbyterian minister was present. I know. Sounds corny.

Therefore, I was raised in the Presbyterian church even after my mother's decease although my Lutheran grandmother did influence me. Maybe it's because I mentioned her Hymnal and Catechism that confused you or the fact that I went to the Lutheran School, the year after my mother's death.

But that doesn't say why *I* am Presbyterian. I was converted (that's a theological issue that I won't get into here) in a Baptistic context and in that context sensed a call to ministry. Therefore, I went to a Baptistic college. Once there, however, through my studies, I became persuaded that Presbyterianism was the most faithful of the churches to the theology and government of Biblical Protestantism.

Therefore, upon graduation from the Baptistic college, I enrolled in a Presbyterian seminary. During my third year, I served as pastor of a Bible Presbyterian CHurch in Coatesville, PA, after which I was ordained to serve as pastor of the Bible Presbyterian Church of Grand Junction, CO.

Subsequent to that service, I have served churches with three different Presbyterian affiliations and now in a denomination known as the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, which is one of the older Presbyterian denominations in America. It is Calvinistic or Reformed in theology and Presbyterian in government. Its ministers still subscribe to the Westminster Confession of Faith.

It was while attending the Presbyterian seminary that I became acquainted with the Rev. Dr. Francis Nigel Lee, who now resides in another of those antipode islands.

VH



Edited by PastorVon (01/13/09 04:57 PM)
Edit Reason: added comment about Nigel Lee.

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#182796 - 02/20/09 07:13 PM Re: Blackbird fly ! [Re: BranShea]
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/33242986@N08/3244923280/

almost had a bird picture here. Sorry. Need to keep working
on how to get it onto a thread.


Edited by LukeJavan8 (02/20/09 07:39 PM)
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