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Hi Yorlyee.
When the Bounty mutineers and their Polynesian wives were thrown together on Pitcairn they took elements from one anothers languages to develop a new language, they brought this amalgam of 18th century English and Polynesian with then when they migrated to Norfolk Island in 1856.
To this day ,when they are amangst themselves, they use this language, called simply "Norfolk".. As they also speak English, it would be inappropriate to address them in their own dialect. I can if you want give you a few phrases to give you a "taste" of what it sounds like!
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Hi Yorlyee.
To this day ,when they are amangst themselves, they use this language, called simply "Norfolk".. As they also speak English, it would be inappropriate to address them in their own dialect. I can if you want give you a few phrases to give you a "taste" of what it sounds like! A friend of mine was married to a Norfolker for many years, neither she nor her boys spoke "Norfolk" but they thought it a huge joke that the islanders believed their patois to be incomprehensible to outlanders. They said that they always found it hard to refrain from smirking when islanders switched from English to Norfok in their presence , apparently believeng that they were obfuscating their conversations.
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Friends of ours lived on Norfolk for three years (which is as long as "outlanders" are normally allowed to stay). They loved their time there but not surprisingly it was a very insular place.
There is a town in Tasmania called New Norfolk because the original settlers and convicts from the first settlement on Norfolk Island were resettled there between 1808 and 1813. The second settlement on Norfolk began in 1825 and lasted until the last of the convicts were removed in 1855. The Pitcairners came to Norfolk Island as the third settlement in 1856, and stayed.
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Hi Wutawayyou
Blended languages are interesting, I knew that Tagalog (sp?) is Spanish based but I wasn't aware of Nofolk. Is it holding its own or losing ground to English? and is it changing over the years eg new slang etc. or is it a static language?
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Hi Wutawayyou
Blended languages are interesting, I knew that Tagalog (sp?) is Spanish based Both Wikipedia and Britannica disagree: WikipediaTagalog is a Central Philippine language within the Austronesian language family. Being Malayo-Polynesian, it is related to other Austronesian languages such as Indonesian, Malay, Fijian, Maori (of New Zealand), Hawaiian, Malagasy (of Madagascar), Samoan, Tahitian, Chamorro (of Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands), Tetum (of East Timor), and Paiwan (of Taiwan). It is closely related to the languages spoken in the Bicol and Visayas regions such as Bikol, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, and Cebuano.
Britannicamember of the Central Philippine branch of the Austronesian (Malayo-Polynesian) language family and the base for Pilipino, an official language of the Philippines, together with English. It is most closely related to Bicol and the Bisayan (Visayan) languages—Cebuano, Hiligaynon (Ilongo), and Samar. Native Tagalog speakers form the second largest linguistic and cultural group in the Philippines and number about 14 million; they are located in central Luzon and parts of Mindanao. Pilipino (based on Tagalog) is spoken by another 25 million persons as a second language and is increasingly used in literature, radio, and the press and as a language for government and education. Tagalog grammar is notable for its complex verbal system, including in particular three distinct types of passive constructions.
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I too was fairly sure that Tagalog was a creole language from Spanish and the original native language(s) of the region. I have heard people speak it and recognise some words as identical or similar to Spanish. Perhaps some Filipinos call Filipino creole 'Tagalog' when it more properly refers to the native language itself?
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I too was fairly sure that Tagalog was a creole language from Spanish and the original native language(s) of the region. I have heard people speak it and recognise some words as identical or similar to Spanish. Perhaps some Filipinos call Filipino creole 'Tagalog' when it more properly refers to the native language itself? Wikipedia may not be that reliable, but if it agrees with Britannica, that's OK with me. The presence of Spanish-sourced vocabulary does not make Tagalog a creole of Spanish. If it does, then English is a Spanish creole too.
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The presence of Spanish-sourced vocabulary does not make Tagalog a creole of Spanish. If it does, then English is a Spanish creole too. Or either a French creole. I would say the simplest, and most likely, explanation is that Tagalog has a large number of Spanish loan words.
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From having looked through a Tagalog reference grammar and a dictionary, I can say rather confidently that Tagalog is a language and not a creole. There are a huge number of other languages spoken in the Philippines. Having watched some Philippine comedies on TV, the amount of code switching between Tagalog and English might make it seem like a creole, but it isn't, and you see something similar happening with Indian language and English.
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