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Jackie and other participants having delicate sensitivities should skip this post
Some screen names are obviously meant to convey an idea about the actor. For example, Sarah Sidel of CSI is somewhat morose at times, suggesting suicidal tendencies. Elliott Stabler of SVU is in a continual struggle to maintain his stability in the face of massive sexual deviancies
I was sure Ellen Degeneres fell in this category, but lo and behold, it's really her name. Does anybody know about Joey Buttafuoco
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That's not a screen name--he's just some stupid schlub who got his 15 minutes because of stupidity and the media frenzy surrounding it.
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Re: Some screen names are obviously meant to convey an idea about the actor. For example, Sarah Sidel of CSI is somewhat morose at times, suggesting suicidal tendencies. Elliott Stabler of SVU is in a continual struggle to maintain his stability in the face of massive sexual deviancies
you know this? or it is your opinion/speculation?
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People who are named Dale and live in a valley might be wise to avoid suggesting that Hileman might mean something.
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No, yes. One's proviso, "It is my opinion that..." is redundant because if it weren't he wouldn't say it
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Elliott Stabler of SVU is in a continual struggle to maintain his stability in the face of massive sexual deviancies...That's a rather bleak perspective.... I'd rather think that he is a "stabilizer" in an otherwise <ahem> chaotic world.
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mus: Of course there's that. However in several recent episodes it was all he could do to contain himself
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Elliot Stabler sometimes has a bit of a temper, but I have no idea where you get "massive sexual deviancies".
Your whole post is very unclear as you seemingly confuse the idea of stage names (screen names) and character names, characters and real people, etc. Exactly who are you accusing of sodomy? Joey Buttafuoco had an affair with a 16.75-year-old girl which would have been perfectly legal in some states. If they had waited 3 months, it would have been legal in New York as well.
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It's a little off topic, but, your post reminded me of two interesting items from the world of literary titbits. I shall write a book some day about the appropriateness of names. Geoffrey Chaucer has a ribald ring, as is proper and correct, and Alexander Pope was inevitably Alexander Pope. Colley Cibber was a silly little man without much elegance and Shelley was very Percy and very Byshee.
—James Joyce, quoted in Voices: A Memoir, 'At Sylvia's' by Frederic Prokosch. Joyce was replying to a question from the young author and poet Prokosch "What do you think of Virginia Woolf?" Joyce answered that it was "an impressive name... she married her wolfish husband purely in order to change her name. Virginia Stephens is not a name for an exploratory authoress. We find ourselves in something of a quandary when it comes to making up our minds about the phenomenon which Stekel calls, "the compulsion of the name". What he means by this is the sometimes quite grotesque coincidence between a man's name and his peculiarities or profession. For instance, Her Gross (Mr Grand) suffers from delusions of grandeur, Herr Kleiner (Mr Small) has an inferiority complex. The Altman sisters marry men twenty years older than themselves. Herr Feist (Mr Stout) is the Food Minister, Herr Rosstauscher (Mr Horsetrader) is a lawyer, Herr Kalberer (Mr Calver) is an obstetrician, Herr Freud (Joy) champions the pleasure-principle, Herr Adler (eagle) the will-to-power, Herr Jung (young) the idea of rebirth, and so on. Are these whimsicalities of chance, or the suggestive effects of a name, as Stekel seems to suggest, or are they meaningful coincidences?
—Carl Jung, Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principal
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Tolkien and Donaldson stand out as masters of this particular craft.
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Myr: Elliott is angered by such deviancies in his line of work.
A stage or character name is often adopted to convey an aura. Thus the reference to sodomy was persiflage based on Joey's ostensible last name
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but Joey Buttafuoco isn't a stage name.
you mix up character names from TV shows, with peoples real names, and then suggest connections.
is Dectective Aymes a good shot? or does dectective gorham have hidden horns with which he 'gore's him'?
there are aptnyms, (Mr butcher who own a butcher shop (and inaptnyms, like Dr Butcher the surgeon) there are character names that are chosen to be aptnyms, and some that are just chosen to be nuetral. (Mr Meloni, one would guess from his name, is italian--or, at least of italian descent, (1st generation? or 3rd? or even longer?)
but Dect. Stabler? could be any ethnic group.
and when casting the part anyone could 'fit the character'.
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because Buttafuoco 'sounds like' some illicit or unsavory activity in english doesn't have any bearing on what it means in italian. (i have no idea if it has a meaning, or is related to a place, or something else.) but i doubt it mean what you suggested.
I just don't understand you point. is Joey Buttafuoco (or anyone named Buttafuoco) destined to be a sodimite because of their name?
(if names made us what we are, i would be a treasurey guard!) and many others would have very strange professions.
(think of all the smiths--what would they be doing?!))
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He's doing this on purpose, just to get reactions. Hence the "persiflage." Nothing to see here. Move on. 
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Subconscious factors influence the choice of a name, as with Goren, strongly suggesting his approach toward the end of each episode. If the implication weren't likely, Helen wouldn't have thought of it
For Eames, Helen's guess is as good as any. As Hydra kindly provided, I was hoping others might proffer additional examples
A Zen-like approach rather than minute prescriptivistic analysis always leads to deeper appreciation of subtleties
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A Zen-like approach rather than minute prescriptivistic analysis always leads to deeper appreciation of subtleties
hmm. dale, (valley) Hileman?? hillman! what kind of hill is there in a valley?
a dung hill.. yes, your right, a zen like approach works..
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give it a rest, Helen. :¬ (
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I think she's trying to launch some ships.
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It means a fellow though living in a concealed river valley, has latent curative abilities
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I think she's trying to launch some ships. Ah yes, the face that launched a thousand ships... only they are trying to get away from her (so goes the old joke).
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During WW II the US built LSTs (Landing Ships, Tank) in many places, including Cairo, Illinois, where one particular LST just would not stay afloat. In fact, they raised her, repaired her, and put her back in the water only to sink again, that she became known as the ship that faced a thousand launches.
Perhaps I should send that to BW contest.
But for ironically appropriate names, how about Wayne Bobbitt?
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did you hear wayne bobbit got tired of his notoritiy? he changed his name to Les Johnson..
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the ship that faced a thousand launches. I wondered where you were going with that. Nice job.
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From a site which protocol forbids me from naming but you may contact me by dalehileman@verizon.net:
I received an email with the definition for aptronym... i'll include it at the end of this post. the term is not in dictionary.com or websters, so i'm desperately seeking clarification: does the term "aptronym" also refer to characters in books that are named for their personalities? for example, "chillingsworth" or "dimmsdale" in the scarlet letter. or, since those names are not specific to their *professions*, is there a more apt term for such a device?
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aptronym (AP-troh-NIM) noun
A name that is especially suited to the profession of its owner.
Examples: Dan Druff for a barber, Felicity Foote for a dance teacher, and James Bugg for an exterminator -- all real monikers. More famously, we have William Wordsworth, the poet; Margaret Court, the tennis champion; Sally Ride, the astronaut; Larry Speakes, the White House spokesperson, Jim Kiick, the football star; and Lorena Bobbitt ("bob it") the you-know-what-er.
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Hi Anna, I'm always feisty. Regarding neologisms, perhaps you didn't get my last reply and so if you're still interested I'm dalehileman@verizon.net
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