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Women talk three times as much as men, says study By FIONA MACRAE 27th November 2006 Women talk almost three times as much as men, according to the research. It is something one half of the population has long suspected - and the other half always vocally denied. Women really do talk more than men. In fact, women talk almost three times as much as men, with the average woman chalking up 20,000 words in a day - 13,000 more than the average man. Women also speak more quickly, devote more brainpower to chit-chat - and actually get a buzz out of hearing their own voices, a new book suggests. The book - written by a female psychiatrist - says that inherent differences between the male and female brain explain why women are naturally more talkative than men. In The Female Mind, Dr Luan Brizendine says women devote more brain cells to talking than men. And, if that wasn't enough, the simple act of talking triggers a flood of brain chemicals which give women a rush similar to that felt by heroin addicts when they get a high. Dr Brizendine, a self-proclaimed feminist, says the differences can be traced back to the womb, where the sex hormone testosterone moulds the developing male brain. The areas responsible for communication, emotion and memory are all pared back the unborn baby boy. The result is that boys - and men - chat less than their female counterparts and struggle to express their emotions to the same extent. "Women have an eight-lane superhighway for processing emotion, while men have a small country road," said Dr Brizendine, who runs a female "mood and hormone" clinic in San Francisco. There are, however, advantages to being the strong, silent type. Dr Brizendine explains that testosterone also reduces the size of the section of the brain involved in hearing - allowing men to become "deaf" to the most logical of arguments put forward by their wives and girlfriends. But what the male brain may lack in converstation and emotion, they more than make up with in their ability to think about sex. Dr Brizendine says the brain's "sex processor" - the areas responsible for sexual thoughts - is twice as big as in men than in women, perhaps explaining why men are stereotyped as having sex on the mind. Or, to put it another way, men have an international airport for dealing with thoughts about sex, "where women have an airfield nearby that lands small and private planes". Studies have shown that while a man will think about sex every 52 seconds, the subject tends to cross women's minds just once a day, the University of California psychiatrist says. Dr Brizendine, whose book is based on her own clinical work and analyses of more than 1,000 scientific studies, added: "There is no unisex brain. "Girls arrive already wired as girls, and boys arrive already wired as boys. Their brains are different by the time they're born, and their brains are what drive their impulses, values and their very reality. "I know it is not politically correct to say this but I've been torn for years between my politics and what science is telling us. "I believe women actually perceive the world differently from men. "If women attend to those differences they can make better decisions about how to manage their lives." Other scientists, however, are sceptical about the effects of testosterone on the brain and say many of the differences between the male and female personality can be explained by social conditioning, with a child's upbringing greatly influencing their character. Deborah Cameron, an Oxford University linguistics professor with a special interest in language and gender, said the amount we talk is influenced by who we are with and what we are doing.  She added: "If you aggregate a large number of studies you will find there is little difference between the amount men and women talk." _____________________________________________________________ AIN'T IT THE TRUTH? WOMEN (OF COURSE) HAVE SMALLER BRAINS, BUT THEIR BRAINS HAVE A LARGER CAPACITY TO SPEAK. AND IN OTHER NEWS...GRITS ARE GROCERIES.
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Wife to husband: It says here that women talk twice as much as men. I wonder why that is?
Husband: Huh?
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So. How come I always have to wait for male friends chitchatting on the doorstep when we leave for half an hour AT LEAST? This is a real good laugh, specially Dr. Brezendine's Moods and Hormone's Clinic.I must see her, urgently.
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So. How come I always have to wait for male friends chitchatting on the doorstep when we leave for half an hour AT LEAST?
Because the women are all talked out and the men finally got a chance to get a word in edgewise?
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Ha! If it doesn't please, you all call it stereotyping? How stupid.  What it is, is, conformation of an obvious fact of human nature and neither you, nor your guile, nor wit, can change a single word of it. Why, for God's sake, would you want to? Do you follow the vogue or truth? Please note ( you who care) that no value judgements have been made in the words above; but only knee-jerk, self-righteous remarks have been made in responce. How sad. Do you strange people only care about what you, yourself, think? How sad.
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Do you strange people only care about what you, yourself, think?That's cuz I see no evidence of thought on yer part Mr Milo Minderbinder. "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." Oh, by the way, 
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no value judgements have been made in the words above - This is true: value judgments arise from the way the words are put together.
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Just for the record, mine was a joke.
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I imply - You infer?
He replies, she defers.
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He replies, she defers.
It seems that some of you are not deferring to the implications of Doctor Benzedrine's implications. Step by step, I will enumerate the obvious at the risk of being considered...uh...obvious.
(1) Human beings are dimorphic.
(2) Dimorphism in humans is a method of continuing the species by role segregation so as to accommodate a long gestation period as well as serving to accommodate the extended maturation period that is necessary to effect the developement of a speaking brain.
(3) It is important for men to proceed quietly when hunting and fishing and argriculturing.
(4) It is important for women to exchange information pertaining to the safety of the collective nest.
(5) I will assume that you women can infer the rest.
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(1) Human beings are dimorphic.
(2) Dimorphism in humans is a method of continuing the species by role segregation so as to accommodate a long gestation period as well as serving to accommodate the extended maturation period that is necessary to effect the developement of a speaking brain.
(3) It is important for men to proceed quietly when hunting and fishing and argriculturing.
(4) It is important for women to exchange information pertaining to the safety of the collective nest.
(5) I will assume that you women can infer the rest.
I don't think this is as cut-and-dry as you would have us believe.
I read about sexual dimorphism and parental investment recently in The 21st-Century Brain (2006) by Steven Rose. Only he puts much less emphasis on sexual dimorphism in humans than you do.
If I understood Rose correctly, the level of parental investment by the male of any given species is inversely proportional to the degree of sexual dimorphism. (In plain English: The more similar the male and female of a species look, the more of a "mummy" the daddy is likely to be be). Homo sapiens has a VERY low level of sexual dimorphism compared with other species.
I don't have the book on hand but the same idea is found in the Wiki article on Sexual Dimorphism:
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Human male and female appearances are perceived as different, although Homo sapiens has a low level of sexual dimorphism compared with other species. For instance, the relative similarity in the sizes of many male and female human beings suggests that divisions for homo sapiens are less clear than other species as the overlap of sizes between the two sexes is slightly less than 1 standard deviation. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published new American curves in 2000. [1] See also intersex.
The body masses of both male and female humans are approximately normally distributed. In the United States, the mean mass of an adult male is 78.5 kg (173.1 lb), that of the adult female mean is 62.0 kg (136.7 lb). The standard deviation of male body mass is 12.6 kg (27.8 lb), so 10% of adult males are lighter than the average female.
Some biologists theorise that a species' degree of sexual dimorphism is inversely related to the degree of paternal investment in parenting. Species with the highest sexual dimorphism, such as the pheasant, tend to be those species in which the care and raising of offspring is done only by the mother, with no involvement of the father (low degree of paternal investment). Conversely, the low level of sexual dimorphism in humans is said to correlate to the human species' high degree of paternal investment (fathers make a high investment in childrearing).
It might therefore be concluded, argues Rose, that male gender roles are more the result of enculturation than evolution.
It is interesting to note that the male mammary glands are capable of producing milk under the right conditions, and that the Viking men are said to have sometimes breast fed.
In conclusion: The fact that women are more talkative than men cannot be explained by arguments that focus single-mindedly on the social habits of early, pre-civilized man. Case in point: You might also argue—(I am not)—that modern man, as the bread winner, went out into the world in a more social, language-taxing role than his poor wife who stayed at home looking after the kids and scrubbing the floors with little adult contact.
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In conclusion: The fact that women are more talkative than men cannot be explained by arguments that focus single-mindedly on the social habits of early, pre-civilized man. Case in point: You might also argue—(I am not)—that modern man, as the bread winner, went out into the world in a more social, language-taxing role than his poor wife who stayed at home looking after the kids and scrubbing the floors with little adult contact.
Ah yes, Hydra, it is good that you do not argue that "modern man, as the bread winner, went out into the world in a more social, language-taxing role than his poor wife who stayed at home looking after the kids and scrubbing the floors with little adult contact."
because man is a highly social animal who for most of his divergence lived in noisy clans and tribes where the only way to raise children without lots and lots of language was to tie them to trees.
Yours and Rose's conclusion is poorly thought out and seems to be a sad manipulation of reality in order to be politically correct.
Of course, like the current disregard of factual information about impending Global Warming, facts won't change a thing. True believers believe because they need to believe and reality can go take a hike.
Ah yes, the sky is falling.
And to say that makes me feel in-vogue and smart. 
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Yours and Rose's conclusion is poorly thought out and seems to be a sad manipulation of reality in order to be politically correct.
Actually, the point is a very uncontroversial, and, in fact, inevitable one. I guess you missed it.
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So. How come I always have to wait for male friends chitchatting on the doorstep when we leave for half an hour AT LEAST?
Because the women are all talked out and the men finally got a chance to get a word in edgewise?
Well, what if the men, (I follow Dr.Brizendine), all during the party have been thinking. Of sex. And only on the doorstep are they able to start a decent conversation. It don't necessarily have to be so, but it might...
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Yours and Rose's conclusion is poorly thought out and seems to be a sad manipulation of reality in order to be politically correct.
Actually, the point is a very uncontroversial, and, in fact, inevitable one. I guess you missed it.
Ok, Hydra, I'll try one last shot to free you from the socio-babble of the strange books you read...
(A) Human beings are a horse of a different color and if one seeks the truth one doesn't measure the amount of "parental time" given to little birds by their mother and dad birds and then declare that ratio a universal.
(B) Ten percent of males weigh less that the average of the females?
How interesting. The exception proves the rule, eh?
(C) In the manner that we humans are constituted it is the female who is central to the continuation of our kind. The body of the female is the portal for continuance. Men are mere appendages, nice to have around to fight wars and build stuff but the female with the small brain is the one who needs an accurate assessment of the immediate world around her in order to effect continuation for the breeding group's set of genes. So they talk. And talk. And talk.
And learn.
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That's it. I fold. I eat my hat. I am man enough to admit I am wrong. Women talk more than men, you're right. And it has nothing to do with socialisation nor culture nor modern gender roles. How stupid of me to even suggest that. No. It is directly and solely the result of the fact that thousands of years ago men and men only spent all day stalking silently after elk while women stayed home in the cave nattering away to their cave children. Sorry it took me so long to see reason. When will I learn that these things always have simple, one-dimensional explanations?
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Well she (themilum) certainly got a lot of mileage out of that. I think we can see that she talked more than any four males in this thread.
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in hunter gather societies, the gather's (the women) gather 90% of the calories consumed.
the men hunt (and trap or kill) 10% calories.
those 10% calories are very often vital proteins, (with fat and B vitamins) but day in, day out, the women work and don't have much time for sitting round the campfire doing nothing. (what a sexist point of view.. i suppose women who are stay at home mothers don't 'work' either.. (yeah, babies change their own diapers, yeah, sure.)
men starve with out women's gatherings. woman become mal nurished,and often unable to hold/complete a pregnancy with the proteins men provide.. but if this has something to do with language, i am missing it.
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men starve without women's gatherings. woman become mal nurished,and often unable to hold/complete a pregnancy with the proteins men provide.. but if this has something to do with language, i am missing it.
Now dear Helen if you will stop talking and listen for a minute I will tell you what this thread has to do with language.
[Good, that's better.]
This thread is about why women talk three times as much as men.
See?
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Nice try, but too late, Ms. themilum. 
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the only way to raise children without lots and lots of language was to tie them to trees.
Why did I never think of that when I cudda used the idea?
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We used the bunghole method...
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> bunghole method... say what? 
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Put 'em into a barrel and feed 'em through the bunghole. When they reach 18 decide whether to break open the top of the barrel or tap in the bung.
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Thanks, Ted, you sweet thing. And, eta--shame on you for thinking I might do something bad!
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shame on you for thinking I might do something bad!Jackie, are you aware of one of the dictionary meanings of bunghole? Bung derives, ultimately, from Late Latin puncta 'hole' from the verb 'to prick'.
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she winked, z. I think she knows. :¬ )
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she winked
Sorry, I must've blinked during her wink.
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Read this: http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~nunberg/beckies.html(I wonder if I should start a new thread?) ---- edit: oops! Thanks, guys. 
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It's missing an l at the end of the URL. Here.
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Yeahbut, milum, ol' buddy...you tend to talk more than anybody...so what's up with that? (rolling-eyes-e)
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We only trust what we see, we only see what we look for and we only look for what we already know.
Thus it becomes very difficult to change common "knowledge" with mere facts.
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Whoa, Zed (good, as always, to see you here)--that's profound!
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