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I just spent the better part of an hour composing a brief but thoughtful followup to a contributor's thread. Then when I clicked on "continue," my followup was deleted. Conclusion: Don't be too thoughtful
Admin, I respectfully suggest that when performing next housekeeping, you correct this deficiency in your algorithm
Otherwise thank you for AWAD and blessings on its participants
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many users compose their replies in another program, such as Notepad, and then paste it in, so as to not suffer what seems to happen to you so frequently.
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 dale, I've had this happen so often that I have trained myself to "/select all/copy" anything I type before moving/clicking onward. This has also become a lifesaving habit for me whilst using other programs as well.
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I heartily concur with those two suggestions, Dale - from bitter experience I've learned to switch to a text edit program for any post longer than a line or two. What's more I save that open page as a temporary worksheet, hitting control/s every line or two as a habit; then copy n paste it into the diealot box. Meanwhile, here's a haiku to console you in your moment of bereavement: You step in the stream
But the water has moved on.
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What's control/s, please?
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You mean, that's all you have to do, to save what you've been typing?! The only way I've ever known to do it is to open the Edit file, then either highlight what I want or hit Select All, and then Copy. How do you get it back, if it disappears? Paste? Does it save everything automatically? Also--what if I type lines 1 and 2, hit control/s, then hit it again after lines 3 & 4--will it lose the first two like Copy does, or does it just add 3 & 4 on to what it's saved so far?
Edit--I should say, a good friend showed me about control/c and /v, but that still involves highlighting. Gosh, that Ctrl button's pretty important, isn't it?
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control-s would only work (in this case) in a text edit program, not here at the forum.
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> all you have to do, to save what you've been typing?!
Hi J, yes ~ but only if you're in a Windows program like a word processor, I think. So to make it more explicit, I would:
1. Open a new window of Word
2. Save it immediately with a temp filename like AWAD
3. Type my post
4. Hit Control/S whenever I felt like building a new saved version
5. Hit Control/A to select all the text when done editing
6. Hit Control/C to copy that highlighted selection
7. Hit Alt/Tab to return to the message board diealot box and place the cursor in the text entry field
8. Hit Control/V to paste the text in to the box
Viola. It sounds more trouble than it is when you routinely use the key strokes.
edit: uh, well these work across the whole M$ suite AFAIK, not just the word processors.
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> only if you're in a Windows program
and are basically the same on a mac, except, it's the apple key, rather than control. (though I believe they occupy the same location on the keyboard)
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(though I believe they occupy the same location on the keyboard)
Not really. I gotta squinch my fingers all up to do apple-x but not ctrl-x.
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ah, but control on a mac is in the same place as alt on a Windoze....
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Not really. I gotta squinch my fingers all up to do apple-x but not ctrl-x.
Thats 'cause you've got a first gen iMac.
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...which comparisons may remind us we're all different and unique, just like the next guy. ;]
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> we're all different and unique, just like the next guy
I got no truck with that, Jimmy Dean.
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...which comparisons may remind us we're all different and unique, just like the next guy. ;]
But we all have varying degrees of uniqueosity
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Mav: It is more trouble than it is. The requirement for excessive keystrokes to accomplish tasks frequently needed is one of the ways Bill Gates and his little fiends have devised to badger us
When Windows Word, for instance, decides a file has too many misspelled words, it shuts down the spellcheck algorithm. A routine of 18 keystrokes is needed to restore it
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What I tend to do, after having learned from bitter experience myself, is select all using CONTROL-A, then I cut using CONTROL-X, and then paste it right back in using CONTROL-V. Why do I use cut and not copy? Well, I am paranoid, that's why. If I use cut and I don't see the text disappear, I know I mis-typed. If it does disappear, I know I've successfully copied it to the clipboard just like using the copy command CONTROL-C. If I just use the copy command then I have no visible reassurance that I have copied correctly.
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yeahbut... once you've selected all text, any keystroke combination will delete it, without necessarily taking a clipboard version - for example, if you accidently hit control/z instead of control/x... 
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>>>When Windows Word, for instance, decides a file has too many misspelled words, it shuts down the spellcheck algorithm. A routine of 18 keystrokes is needed to restore it.
I've never seen that happen Dale. I opened up Word to try it out and I purposefully made 53 errors in the in a text and it still kept working. Seems like it would be contradict the purpose of the program. Have you noticed at when number it shuts off?
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I do the same thing as Maverick. If I know my post is going to be long, I type it in Word then paste it here.
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All: I admire your patience. If I had to do all that for a single followup I would go stark raving mad
Bel: 53 "errors" won't do it. In the large file Word/Windows throws in the towel only after it has detected thousands of "misspellings", grammatical "mistakes" etc etc etc
One would think, if the algorithm simply can't handle that many boo-boos how it would be able to go back to work when I address it with my 18-keystroke macro; a mystery, but it does
God bless Bill Gates and his crew of massively incompetent elves
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yeahbut...
once you've selected all text, any keystroke combination will delete it, without necessarily taking a clipboard version - for example, if you accidently hit control/z instead of control/x... Not any combination will cause it to disappear. And if you do hit CONTROL-Z by mistake you've merely hit "undo." You can re-do and un-do back and forth. Anyway, to each their own form of madness. 
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If I understand some of you correctly, you're telling me that WS won't time out and delete my entry if every so often I select all, copy, paste, etc. You will have to forgive me my lack of computer skills, but I don' think that's true
Unless what you mean is, if you anticipate a hiatus whilst composing, to go to another program such as Word, do your work there, then copy it to WS; a procedure to me monstrously cumbersome
Edited to acknowledge musik's suggestion to continually Select-all-Copy. What you're telling me is to lodge it in memory so that if WS times you out you will have it saved somewhere. I shall try this next time I get long-winded but it seems like a whole lot of trouble when it would be feasible to tweak the algorithm so the followup just wouldn't time out
Tho my suggestions are hardly earth-shaking and I would never ask Admin to make just one mod for something that could be performed at regular housekeeping. Thanks all and keep up the good works
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Jackie: If you're backing up the followup by means of a Windows program like Word or Outlook, key in Ctrl+C Ctrl+C. This gives you the possibility of saving up to 12 consecutive blocks, which you can then retrive all at once by clicking on Paste All. Still a lot of trouble though. I'm sure eventually Admin will obviate all this fuss by gouging the timeout algorithm
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> go to another program such as Word, do your work there, then copy it to WS; a procedure to me monstrously cumbersome
Why so? I commonly have between 6 and 9 programs running perhaps a total of 15 active windows, and flipping between programs is no trouble at all.
It gives protection against not just timeout failures but all the many other gremlins that can affect your intention to post into a vast database like this one over the vagaries of web connections. And above all, it enables you to easily handle all the edit functions and other text handling tasks including sequential saves in a program designed to do just that. I don't normally bother with a post of this length though.
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>I'm sure eventually Admin will obviate all this fuss by gouging the timeout algorithm
I surely don't know how you gouge an algorithm; but have you gotten the message that there is no regular housekeeping here?! as FS suggested, take your plaints/suggestions directly via email to anuATwordsmith.org. and then wait VERY patiently.
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There's even a quick way to do this: click on the 3rd. one of these, which are at the bottom of every post: Post Extras.
P.S.--by the way, it was these that led me to post the old thread last night; I got curious as to what the "remind me" one would involve--and that reminded me of that thread I don't want to forget.
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Mav you are absolutely right, that's the most careful way, but it would literally double my time at the computer every day and I need to go ouside to do chores
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> need to go ouside
you go outside? in the RealWhirled®? shudder! ;]
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I have adopted your scheme and now use it extensively. But it would have been preferable if instead Bill Gates had created an algorithm that warns you, for instance, when your contribution is going to time out or that you will lose it if you attempt to return to the thread for some reason before you are through composing it
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I don't think Bill Gates has anything to do with it.
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Bill gates is merely an avatar for all software designers
It's symbolic, a flight of fancy
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> Bill gates is merely an avatar for all software designers
That's whiskey talk.
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Dale, here's a word for your Brit slang collection: whinge.
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Dale, here's a word for your Brit slang collection: whinge.
Oh is that how you spell it.
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