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#148388 - 10/13/05 12:02 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
of troy Offline
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yeah, but, themilum, years ago, (but still allegedly part of the enlightened age) when i worked as a service technician, i was told "its a man job" (it required the use of tools) and a manager (in a one to one conversation, so it would have been a case of he said/she said told me i was 'depriving a man of job' by doing what i was doing.

'manpower' was how the work force was 'averaged'.

it was a job. any woman who was interested would have been quite capable of doing it. (yeah, you did occationally have to move 60 lbs parts, (or as i said, a 6 year old, and the parts didn't kick and scream))

supposedly "neutral terms' like mailman or manpower, or manned station are anything but neutral if you are a woman working in a field or occupation that is still largely one considered to be a man's job.

changing language is start to changing thinking.
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#148389 - 10/13/05 12:47 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
tsuwm Offline
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but isn't this really an example of overindulgence??

after all, *who is it that's being disparaged in saying that the border station is unmanned?

in the final analysis there's no one there.
-joe (I must hang around with ron o. too much)

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#148390 - 10/13/05 10:15 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
inselpeter Offline
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Who are you talking to? he said in a friendly tone of type. I just didn't know what you were disagreeing *with. Anyway, as far as *what you were disagreeing with goes, you may disagree with me, but I don't disagree with you. Nor do I think my statement suggests I do.

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#148391 - 10/13/05 10:16 AM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
inselpeter Offline
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Quote:

but isn't this really an example of overindulgence??

after all, *who is it that's being disparaged in saying that the border station is unmanned?

in the final analysis there's no one there.
-joe (I must hang around with ron o. too much)




You are really pretty funny today.

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#148392 - 10/13/05 11:43 AM Re: funny tsuwm
AnnaStrophic Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

but isn't this really an example of overindulgence??

after all, *who is it that's being disparaged in saying that the border station is unmanned?

in the final analysis there's no one there.
-joe (I must hang around with ron o. too much)




You are really pretty funny today.




I *agree. And he's using emoticons! Who'da thunk?

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#148393 - 10/13/05 08:10 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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Well, if I were a woperson I would be highly dudgeonated by being called a man.




Well, if I were a dungeon I'd be highly insulted by a woperson being called dungeonated. so there


Edited by WhitmanO'Neill (10/13/05 08:12 PM)

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#148394 - 10/13/05 08:24 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
wofahulicodoc Offline
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Quote:

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Well, if I were a woperson I would be highly dudgeonated by being called a man.




Well, if I were a dungeon I'd be highly insulted by a woperson being called dungeonated. so there




And Idowanna be a woperson in the first place. I wanna be a joyperson!


PS Is it my imagination or is white text really invisible on this board, unless you highlight it? Or is it just my monitor?

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#148395 - 10/13/05 09:27 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
Jackie Offline

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is white text really invisible on this board Prolly has to do with the color scheme you've selected, Sweet Thing. Maybe?

EDIT: I'm currently using desert classic (I think); I can tell that something is there, but I sure can't read it without highlighting it.

EDIT #2: Hoo boy, it shows up loud and clear in "black and blue"!

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#148396 - 10/14/05 07:19 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
WhitmanO'Neill Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Well, if I were a woperson I would be highly dudgeonated by being called a man.




Well, if I were a dungeon I'd be highly insulted by a woperson being called dungeonated. so there




And Idowanna be a woperson in the first place. I wanna be a joyperson!




Well, wofa, unfortunately you already are a woperson.

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#148397 - 10/25/05 03:08 PM Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation
Zed Offline
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Registered: 08/27/02
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Loc: British Columbia, Canada
Personally I would not be offended by someone thinking I was male (unless they could actually see me at the time.) In fact a lot of people assumed that "Zed" was a male sounding name when I first arrived on the board. I am not insulted by "masculin" terms like manned but I do think that truly gender neutral terms can help to (slowly) change attitudes. I dislike gender screwy terms like woperson and I am offended when PC terms are carefully used to cover up continued actual discrimination. eg when a business changes from having a Chairman to having a Chairperson with a hidden resolve never to have a female chairperson.

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