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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Body language #140550 03/06/05 09:53 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,773 Sparteye OP Pooh-Bah OP Sparteye Pooh-Bah Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,773 The idea of being separated by a common language applies to body language as well as English. As brought to my attention by our friend Hibernicus, Professor Dacher Keltner at UC Berkeley has identified particular facial expressions that allow him to distinguish with a high degree of success British from American people. The key is what he calls the "Duchenne smile", which involves the zygomatic major muscle and risorius muscle pulling the lower lip downward to expose the lower teeth. This is how British people smile, but not American people, who generally expose only their upper teeth. The resultant smiles are differently interpreted by the different cultures. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-523-1491935-523,00.html Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Body language #140551 03/06/05 10:25 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Only a non-rhotic would even think to spell it "tomarto." Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter "Pan Am" smile #140552 03/07/05 02:46 PM Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,385 P plutarch veteran plutarch veteran P Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,385 The resultant smiles are differently interpreted by the different cultures. Sparteye: I read a report on the same research, only in a different newspaper, the Toronto Star [link below]. I was so taken with the "Pan Am" smile [Tom Cruise's "Star Spangled Grin"] that I wrote a limerick about it. [I never thought I would have occasion to post it, however.] You can tell a lot about a smile. If it's Pan Am it'll stretch a mile. Wide open means the States. A Brit less openly relates 'Cause stiff upper lip is his style. THE STAR-SPANGLED GRIN Toronto Star, Tuesday, March 1, 2005 [Link below extract] Extract: "For Keltner the typical American smile is best represented by Tom Cruise. His smile is big and open, conveying warmth and genuineness. The typical British smile can be found in Prince Charles, Keltner said. His smile is also warm, and it conveys happiness but also a sense of decorum and considerateness. On the surface, the two smiles may look the same. But there is a fairly subtle distinction at play — one that only a trained observer can detect, Keltner said. Americans tend to smile without inhibition. The grins are big, open and more expressive. There is no muscle action constraining the mouth. It all starts with the "zygomatic major muscle" that pulls the lip corners up, he explained. An American smile is often referred to as the "Pan Am smile," but can also include the muscles around the eyes — the orbicularis oculi — crinkling to indicate warmth and happiness. The British tend to smile in a slightly different way, one that conveys a sense of modesty and deference, said Keltner, who has studied and analyzed the 43 facial muscles used to express emotion. ----------------- It was only when challenged recently by a British journalist to see if he could differentiate between the two nationalities and their smiles that he found he could — with almost 100 per cent certainty. http://snipurl.com/d546 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "Pan Am" smile #140553 03/07/05 08:27 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,819 Spam Factory A Alex Williams Pooh-Bah Alex Williams Pooh-Bah A Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,819 Spam Factory TPIWWP Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "Pan Am" smile #140554 03/07/05 11:36 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,757 M maverick Carpal Tunnel maverick Carpal Tunnel M Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,757 > women smile more than men in public, but stop smiling in private huh, yeah, reckon that's about right Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter the femine smile #140555 03/08/05 12:55 AM Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park of troy Carpal Tunnel of troy Carpal Tunnel Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park in many primates, smiling is way to reduce tension.. its the 'first' signal of submission. the bigger the smile, the more submissive an ape or chimp or monkey is. in humans, there is the well known 'Sh*t-eating grin' that is flashed when some one screw up, and want to defect anger. -we aren't so far from most other apes in that way my other obsession Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: "Pan Am" smile #140556 03/08/05 01:59 PM Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,385 P plutarch veteran plutarch veteran P Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,385 re TPIWWP That's why I posted the link, Alex Williams. A photo of Tom Cruise with his high wattage smile accompanies the Toronto Star story. But here's another photo of Tom with his "star spangled grin" next to his ex, Nicole, who may be his latest [I really don't keep up with it]. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/7096/TomCruise.html BTW, Alex Williams, does the "P" in "TPIWWP" stand for "poem" or "post", or both? :) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter TPIWWP 'this post is worthless without pictures' #140557 03/08/05 07:42 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,819 Spam Factory A Alex Williams Pooh-Bah Alex Williams Pooh-Bah A Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,819 Spam Factory Actually it was the alleged Brit smile that I was hoping to find a picture of. 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