Québec use of trompe-l’œil

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#139421 - 02/13/05 07:49 PM Québec use of trompe-l’œil
belMarduk Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/28/00 Posts: 2888	A little late to the topic, but I wanted to let you know that in Québec, a trompe-l’œil, is not only used for something that is painted. It is also used for anything that is created to look like something else. For example, a fern whose pot is actually a speaker is a trompe-l’œil, because it fools the eye into thinking it is a plant in a pot.
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#139422 - 02/13/05 09:30 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Jackie Carpal Tunnel Registered: 03/15/00 Posts: 11582 Loc: Louisville, Kentucky	Cool; I would love to have stuff like that in my house, if I could only be creative enough to think of things.
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#139423 - 02/13/05 11:07 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/03/00 Posts: 10472 Loc: this too shall pass	bel, you must be some sort of interloper, eh?
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#139424 - 02/14/05 03:01 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Sparteye Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 1773	Bel, how do you pronounce trompe l'oeil? Wordsmith gave it has "tromp lye", but I've heard it as "tromp loy" and "tromp lay", and my dictionary gives "tromp lay."
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#139425 - 02/14/05 03:06 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Registered: 03/15/00 Posts: 6511 Loc: lower upstate New York	It's French. Therefore unpronounceable.
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#139426 - 02/14/05 03:10 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Vernon Compton enthusiast Registered: 06/29/01 Posts: 273 Loc: NZ	>It's French. Therefore unpronounceable. Not so! French has only 5 vowels, after all - ong, ong, ong, ong and ong.
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#139427 - 02/14/05 03:12 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Sparteye Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 1773	So, it's "tromp long"!
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#139428 - 02/14/05 07:37 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
maverick Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 4757	> unpronounceable > ong, ong... LOL! But you have to get the accents right to distinguish between the short ong, the long ong and the longeur ong
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#139429 - 02/14/05 07:53 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Wordwind Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/30/01 Posts: 6296 Loc: Piedmont Region of Virginia, U...	In reply to: So, it's "tromp long"! I guess not, according to Vernon. It must be 'trongp long.'
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#139430 - 02/15/05 09:54 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
belMarduk Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/28/00 Posts: 2888	****It's French. Therefore unpronounceable. I think you may have it right in this case ASp. Trompe l'oeil is nearly impossible to translate phonetically into English. It's the "l'oeil" that's the kicker. Trompe is easy...pronounced like Trump (as in Donald Trump) but substitute the U with the same O as in HOME The sound of "l'oeil" is a combination of "LE" (as in all those fancy French restaurants...Le Petit Chat, Le Café...) and the "Y" in "Yes" but with the slight roll you get with double Ls of the Spanish language. Not sure that makes it any clearer. (please disregard any errors in keys...Hubby has "restarted" my computer and I can't find most of my punctuations.)
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#139431 - 02/15/05 10:31 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Vernon Compton enthusiast Registered: 06/29/01 Posts: 273 Loc: NZ	Wordwind, that little joke was not mine originally. http://www.wordsmith.org/awad/awadmail124.html
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#139432 - 02/16/05 04:18 AM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Wordwind Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/30/01 Posts: 6296 Loc: Piedmont Region of Virginia, U...	Oh, thanks, Vernon. In the spirit of the scholarly pedantic or pedantically scholarly, I'll quote from the link you provided: "a Robert Benchley bon mot claims that French has five vowels, namely ong, ong, ong, ong, and ong." ...just in case anyone cares to quote Mr. Benchley directly.
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#139433 - 02/16/05 12:14 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Sparteye Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/05/01 Posts: 1773	Thanks, Bel. I think I understand the sound you mean, although it will take practice before I'm willing to try it in public.
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#139434 - 02/16/05 09:24 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
belMarduk Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/28/00 Posts: 2888	You can practice it on me. I promise I won't laugh. Don't forget you have to pucker your lips a little when you're saying L'oeil.
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#139435 - 02/17/05 11:48 AM Re: sans atout
maverick Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 4757	> You can practice it on me... Don't forget you have to pucker your lips vien ici, cherie :{}
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#139436 - 02/18/05 05:31 PM Re: sans atout
belMarduk Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/28/00 Posts: 2888	I'm very suspicious monsieur Maverick...is this really about learning how to pronounce l'oeil. Sounds more like if you are interested in the French tongue.
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#139437 - 02/18/05 07:54 PM Re: the French tongue
maverick Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 4757	Do French skills need constant practice? You know, that feeling of being let down by vocabulary, feeling it's on the tip of your tongue yet not quite coming to you... <EG> But I have never been less than dazzled at the stylish way French women roll their 'r's.
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#139438 - 02/18/05 08:01 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
Wordwind Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/30/01 Posts: 6296 Loc: Piedmont Region of Virginia, U...	Why is the o squished up against the e: œil? If the o weren't squished up against the e, would there be a discernible difference in pronunciation?
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#139439 - 02/18/05 08:34 PM Re: Québec use of trompe-l’œil
maverick Carpal Tunnel Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 4757	> If the o weren't squished up against the e, would there be a discernible difference in pronunciation? yep, it ud be e see, er!
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