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#139353 02/13/05 03:30 PM
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In those years -- 9th - 12th centuries -- when tanka was so fashionable, poets competing in contests revived an old Chinese form by linking tanka poems together in a novel way. The poem was "broken" in half so one author wrote the 5-7-5 part and another responded and finished the poem by adding his (mostly men did this though it was first done by a woman!) 7-7 part. Instead of stopping there, someone else wrote a new 5-7-5 poem to "answer" to the previous 7-7 link and they named the genre renga -- meaning linked elegance. This proved to be so much fun poets were soon writing poems of 1,000 and even 10,000 links.

~ as quoted elsewhere...


edit: yeahbut, ifn I understand this, the form is:

1. a 5/7/5 syllable construct
b. a 7/7 syllable link
iii. a 5/7/5 response

... then b & iii alternating until we change the steenkin rulze a few centuries down the track?

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Pebble in the stream
Lava flowing on the hill
Our words change slowly



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Pebble in the stream
Lava flowing on the hill
Our words change slowly

*EDIT: The following fractal [below] is not a tanka, but it may be a good example of what is not a tanka.

Words are to thoughts
Frothing surf atop waves
Tide comes, tide goes


* Please excuse the distraction. I missed the beat in Maverick's hokku.

#139356 02/13/05 05:29 PM
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Wonderful continuance/writing plutarch, but what's with the 3 line link and a 4/6/4 syllable construction?... or am I pronouncing things differently these days..?

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If the "stinking rules" are to be at least *explored, plutarch should have written a 7/7 "link" (extension of mav's first three) and I should have completed the cycle by adding a 5/7/5 construct, and thereby setting up the next cycle (which someone could have then added a 7/7 link to)... and so on... alternating... and so on.

Is this correct, Mav?


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Sorry, Musick. I didn't study the rules. Maverick posted them after I made my flawed entry. Looks like I leapt to contusions [again]. Pls disregard my entry. [Tankas are a lot tougher than they appear at first scan.]




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Yeah I'm with you Musick, if Plutarch wants to write the part that is traditionally supplied by the ladies he should at least give lip service to the rules and connect Maverick's 5/7/5 with a pair of 7 syllable lines that have some continuity of meaning but which also sets up a directional change.

Go ahead and finish this round if you want to, Musick and then we'll get an authentic woman to do the 7/7 trick.


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"Tanka a lot?", themilum.


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I don't even know where to begin to finish.

Howza-bouta:

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Pebble in the stream
Lava flowing on the hill
Our words change slowly

Frothing surf atop the waves
The tide comes and the tide goes

Words are given thoughts
which may melt old rocks and clog
streams which feed the seas


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WOW! Whatever it is, I love it, musick.


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Ok, Musick and Plutarch, times up! On short notice I was unable to find a proper lady available on this forum so I guess that just this once I'll dress the part and fill the bill with this little nicety until we can scare up a Awad broad who can write sevens.


Pebble in the stream
Lava flowing on the hill
Our words change slowly

Hot lava words stilled by streams.
Do floods wash pebbles downstream?



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