#137354 - 01/19/05 09:09 AM
Re: weekly theme for Jan. 17, 2005
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journeyman
Registered: 11/18/04
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Loc: New Hampshire
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I believe the British say the word "miscellany" with the accent on the "cell" syllable. (miss-SELL-uh-knee) Sounds much better.
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#137356 - 01/19/05 05:03 PM
Re: weekly theme for Jan. 17, 2005
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/30/01
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Here is a good use of miscellany in one of Frost's poems, which I heard sung once as a choral work:
A Girl's Garden
A neighbor of mine in the village
Likes to tell how one spring
When she was a girl on the farm, she did
A childlike thing.
One day she asked her father
To give her a garden plot
To plant and tend and reap herself,
And he said, "Why not?"
In casting about for a corner
He thought of an idle bit
Of walled-off ground where a shop had stood,
And he said, "Just it."
And he said, "That ought to make you
An ideal one-girl farm,
And give you a chance to put some strength
On your slim-jim arm."
It was not enough of a garden,
Her father said, to plow;
So she had to work it all by hand,
But she don't mind now.
She wheeled the dung in the wheelbarrow
Along a stretch of road;
But she always ran away and left
Her not-nice load,
And hid from anyone passing.
And then she begged the seed.
She says she thinks she planted one
Of all things but weed.
A hill each of potatoes,
Radishes, lettuce, peas,
Tomatoes, beats, beans, pumpkins, corn,
And even fruit trees.
And yes, she has long mistrusted
That a cider-apple tree
In bearing there today is hers,
Or at least may be.
Her crop was a miscellany
When all was said and done,
A little bit of everything,
A great deal of none.
Now when she sees in the village
How village things go,
Just when it seems to come in right,
She says, "I know!
"It's as when I was a farmer. . . ."
Oh, never by way of advice!
And she never sins by telling the tale
To the same person twice.
Robert Frost
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#137357 - 01/19/05 07:06 PM
miss SELL uh knee
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Registered: 04/03/00
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#137358 - 01/19/05 07:34 PM
Re: miss SELL uh knee
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journeyman
Registered: 11/18/04
Posts: 95
Loc: New Hampshire
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There lives a poor soon-to-be wife
Whose husband sees marriage as strife.
Upon wedding, his name...
Well it sure won't be plain:
Quoth his girl, Miss Alainey, "That's life!"
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#137359 - 01/19/05 08:05 PM
Re: miss SELL uh knee
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/24/02
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Loc: Vermont
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you and Mav are rockin' the house, Ani!!
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#137364 - 01/21/05 09:11 AM
Re: miss SELL uh knee
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/15/00
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Have I been doing it wrong all my life?
'course not Miz J - those uncultivated northerners'll say any ole thang! Your diction's true to Old Country roots :)
tsurely tsuwm mitstake
It’s a regional thang, to be sure:
How the word’s on your tongue and your jaw…
There is no ‘right’ way
Evolution holds sway
Despite what the rednecks may roar!
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#137367 - 01/21/05 10:06 AM
Re: miss SELL uh knee
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Carpal Tunnel
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<slowly shaking head>
It's a schwa-fire hit ;)
metioning no names, hey, don mess wid a rhymey limey :)
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#137370 - 01/21/05 01:42 PM
Re: schwaddy rhymes
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Jackie, you're getting a lot of grief. I'll send you a bucket of snowballs to fire at each of them...or keep for good memory's sake.
Have you ever heard how the people in Pierre, South Dakota, say 'Pierre'? That'll make you feel su-pierre-ior, Ms. J.
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#137371 - 01/21/05 02:40 PM
Re: schwaddy rhymes
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/24/02
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>Pierre
hey! you're talking about the capital of my birth-state! watch it!
now I'm just a few miles from Montpelier....
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#137372 - 01/21/05 05:59 PM
Re: fishin' for
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Carpal Tunnel
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Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
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Ducks!  Somehow I just couldn't put "got a bite on my baited breath"--  . 'Fried Green Tomatoes' was on TV last night, and I caught the part where Iggy (Idgy?) retells the story about how there used to be a lake in that field right over there; but one November a few years back, a whole big flock of ducks came in and landed there; there was a hard freeze that night, and that lake froze so fast that all the ducks' feet were trapped. The next morning they all got to flapping their wings, and don't you know they pulled that whole lake right up, and now it's clear over in Georgia somewhere. [/free association]
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#137374 - 01/21/05 06:55 PM
Re: fishin' for
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Terrific joke, of troy! Hmmm, wonder how long it takes a vermiform friend to chill under ice?
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#137375 - 01/21/05 09:39 PM
Re: miss SELL uh knee
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veteran
Registered: 05/25/02
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Miss UH lane NEE. And that's that! 
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#137376 - 01/22/05 06:11 AM
Re: miss SELL uh knee
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#137377 - 01/22/05 06:27 AM
Re: miss SELL uh knee
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/24/02
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Loc: Vermont
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>MISS suh LAY knee
yup.
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#137378 - 01/22/05 06:33 AM
Re: yup
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Carpal Tunnel
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...but with the boldface on the first syllable unlike tsuwm's preference for the main stress on the third. Is that what you meant by your arrow toward the first, et'?
Just my take.
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#137379 - 01/22/05 07:17 AM
Re: yup
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 06/24/02
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Loc: Vermont
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sorry. the > was a shortcut quote... I say it (!) like you do... 
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#137380 - 01/22/05 07:19 AM
Re: yup
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veteran
Registered: 05/25/02
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Let's not get prideful, fellow posters. Isn't all that we are doing here is relating how the term "Miscellany" is said and understood in our neck of the woods and not relating how it is said on TV? Is we are having a word contest then folks around here win, because everything else being equal, their pronunciation is more melodious. Hands down.
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#137381 - 01/22/05 07:26 AM
Re: yup
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 10/17/00
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of course there are winners, milo! its like the drew carey show.. there are winners, and winners get points.
the points are worthless, winning is worthless, but none the less, there are winners and points.
if you want lots of points, play hogwash.. when you've collected a million points, you can trade them for..um, nothing, cause they are worthless. (you'd wouldn't even impress other here if you announced that you had one a million points.. no one would care. but you can still will win and get point!)
no winners? gee's, what kind of place do you think this is?
(still, i remain pointless)
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#137382 - 01/22/05 07:45 AM
Re: yup
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Carpal Tunnel
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Well, there is a point at least in reading desired stress of syllables as intended. Here's a bit of verse I wrote a long time ago, and the stress on 'mis' in 'miscellany' is desirable in order to match the stress on 'sleight':
"I know a man who gathers and scatters.
He offers a miscellany of sleight of hand,
propels old doves high into the air
from his secret cages.
He folds around me tightly as a shell
while peas appear and vanish."
If the stress had been on 'cell,' I wouldn't have written the line that way.
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#137386 - 01/22/05 10:13 AM
Re: yup, scoring
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/30/01
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strongest stress on LANE in miscellaneous; slight stress on mis-
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#137387 - 01/22/05 10:14 AM
Re: another word
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#137388 - 01/22/05 10:59 AM
Re: another word
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journeyman
Registered: 11/18/04
Posts: 95
Loc: New Hampshire
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miss-CELL-uh-knee Dr. Bill and I have exchanged messages about this subject, and he presented the fact that indeed misc- is the root of the word, per Latin miscere (to mix), so it seems proper it should be emphasized. But from this root comes the Latin miscellus, for which both of the first two syllables are long (and it sounds better saying miss-KELL-us or miss-CELL-us, eh?)[.] Then those silly Latins added another suffix and created the word "miscellaneus", in which the "mis" and the "a" are emphasized (and the "a" is probably more emphasized) - and this is the word from which we get miscellan y/eous. So I'm sure "MIS-cell-EY'-nee-us" is the more proper. Maybe misCELLanee is just a corruption.  Edit: oops, misread your post. I say MISS-sell-LANE-e-yuss (greatest accent on "lane").
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#137389 - 01/22/05 11:20 AM
Re: another word
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 09/15/00
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> miss uh LAY nee us
I'm close to Fong and W2 -
MIss-er-LANE-ee-us
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#137392 - 01/23/05 04:01 PM
Re: jabber the pun
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Carpal Tunnel
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my merry jab
Our amusement has not yet abaited ;)
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Did you LEARN it that way??? That is, is this a regional thang, or what? Nobody here says it that way. I honestly cannot imagine actually saying MISSuhlaney. Have I been doing it wrong all my life?
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