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#135400 11/29/04 02:09 PM
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"humans are at heart a cooperative animal"

I generally resist the temptation to ascribe a single character or impulse to humanity to the exclusion of the contrary character which we also possess. Humans are social and individualistic, rational and irrational, wise as well as foolish.

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...and I looked that up meself. Gandhi's comment was about the "Western" form.

To hell with logic and reasoning.

As FF seemed to clarify (thank you), an individual establishes their *cultural uniqueness if you consider the whole *person. Tis only when some parts are ignored or others put under a "magnifying glass" does one focus on how he is the same. A big enough magnifying glass, and we find we are all the same.

So why not consider each tribe an entity within itself, after all that is what we do when we consider
the "I" in a collection of cells that is ourselves.


Well I guess I have no doubt that "cultural myths" help hold *societies together... a bit like it's saying "it's good that they all speak *that* language so we can call them the "that language speakers".

That magnifying glass is too large...

... or, is it too small?

No need to answer that... unless you bring logic and reasoning back.


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Humans are social and individualistic, rational and irrational, wise as well as foolish.

Ah yes, Fallible, all too true. But I would think it
a breach of protocol to insinuate that the
people of this board needed to be reminded
of the bad side of mankind each time I mentioned the good.

And you?




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There's a protocol?

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No need to answer that... unless you bring logic and reasoning back.

When pigs fly, Musick! Tools - that is the sum of logic and reasoning -
only one thing matters and it matters absolute; Truth.
If you were of a different mind-set at the moment
I would expose logic and reasoning for what they really are...
(Oh what the hell, I'll do so anyway, what do I care if I
preach to a void.)

People accept or reject new ideas based on how close
the new ideas are to the system of beliefs
that they currently hold.

Race doesn't matter, Religion doesn't matter,
nothing matters much but the congruence of beliefs.

But for an epiphany you'll need an authority figure to
bring about your transformation.

And if your authority figure is logic and reason,
then Musick - good music - your fate is a circle.





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But, fate *is a circle... as are *beliefs.

Independence and interdependence may be primary forces which drive culture, but even if they are working at opposite sides of the globe they both focus on the *roots of dependence.

As the individual's survival drives one to seek social acceptance and the individual's actions drive the definitions of society, chaos (creativities) and structure (theories) are only at odds when an individual chooses to focus on them seperately.

The question may not be "was it the chicken or the egg which came first" but, possibly "what do you want to eat"... yet I still feel, ocassionally, enough *nourishment comes from the sounds of silence.


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"... yet I still feel, ocassionally, enough *nourishment comes from the sounds of silence"

Right on, soul bro, far out.

Uh, say Musick, I was just wondering...by all things sacred to Peter, Paul, and Mary,
just what the garfunkel does
"nourishment comes from the sounds of silence" mean?


Peace.

And why are you peppering your posts with
those little ( * ) that denote footnotes
when you don't have any footnotes?


Make sense, not war! Peace.


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They indicate footnotes when used as postpositions; when used as prepositions they indicate emphasis.


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Who says? (lESS ABRUPT) WHO MADE UP THIS RULE
AND DIDN'T TELL ME. IT IS A SILLY CONVENTION.
AND WHY ARE WE WHISPERING?

_____________________________________ MILUM.



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Uh, say Musick, I was just wondering...by all things sacred to Peter, Paul, and Mary, just what the garfunkel does "nourishment comes from the sounds of silence" mean?

*Nothing is sacred.

OK, since you asked. It means: "Chaos can be blissful if you just “let it be”, man."

And why are you peppering your posts with those little ( * ) that denote footnotes when you don't have any footnotes?

See, this is the whole *issue, ain't it? I thought it was salting them... melting the ice hard form of specific meanings *certain words have. The use I intend (Sorry, Faldage) is to point out... oh, this is much easier...

http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=announcements&Number=132316

... it's your *basic culture building exercize.


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