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#132757 09/09/04 03:45 AM
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There was not a sick or wounded man left by the Confederates, nor stores of any kind. Some ammuniion had been blown up -- not removed -- but the trophies of war were a few Quaker guns, logs of about the diameter of ordinary cannon, mounted on wheels of wagons and pointed in the most threatening manner towards us.

Ulysses S. Grant, from his memoirs


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that's very interesting.



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Indeed. Here's an explanation:
http://www.picturehistory.com/find/p/8599/mcms.html
P.S.--On the off chance that we have some readers who don't know this, Quakers are steadfastly peaceable. Thus the irony of the term.


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and another picture:

http://www.civil-war.net/cw_images/files/images/059.jpg

pictures from the Civil War just seem so alien.



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Well, relatively modern. Interesting to think that WW II is almost as far away from us as the Civil War was to people at the start of WW II.

Anyway! The English had entire fake airfields that were used to draw enemy bombs away from the better-camouflaged real aerodromes., NOt an exact analogy of course since the Quaker guns were to deter attach.



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The use of decoy munitions must be common in war; what interested me especially was the term, which sounds so much of those times: religious sects sprang up in 19th C. US like watermelon in the summertime.

[edit: someone is bound to write that the Quakers predate the 19th C., and if they do, I'll have to give it to them, as I don't know, myself. I vouch only for the accuracy of the account of my experience reading the term.]

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Forgot to say, yesterday, insel--it's lovely to see you back here. [hug]


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Just a "friendly" word on Quakers (har har): they were founded in England in the mid 1600s by George Fox.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/REquakers.htm


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Alex,

Thanks.

Then the question is when the movement took hold in the US (probably early on, I suspect) and what sort of Quaker 'activism' there may have been with respect to the Civil War. Also, presuming that: a) they were against hostilities, and b) they were abolishonists, how they reconciled these positions. All such questions arise from speculation, on my part. Civil War studies is a whole new world to me, and, at the moment, a quick foray from other pursuits. But the fact that decoys were named fo them suggests they were a movement with some heft to it. I guess I'll see if I can find a 'etymology' for the term when I get home tonight.

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Jackie:

Hugs back, sweetness.


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