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#124479 - 09/17/04 08:21 PM Re: little finger
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given my last post . . .
Do you mean the Ctrl key??


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#124480 - 09/18/04 05:25 AM Re: little finger
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Excuse my butting in, but, Faldage, would you decode those initials? Thanks.


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#124481 - 09/18/04 09:15 AM Re: little finger
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CarriageReturn-LineFeed = Return


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#124482 - 09/18/04 10:11 AM Re: little finger
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CarriageReturn-LineFeed = Return

As with many thing computational, it depends on the OS (operating system). In plain text files on DOS/Windows, the special character representing the end of a written line of text is a simple CR (carriage return ASCII value 13 in decimal, 0x0D in hex, CR, or ctrl-M), on Un*x it's a simple linefeed or newline character (ASCII value 10, 0x0A, LF, or ctrl-J). On the Mac under pre-MacOsX days it was CR-LF, and now it can be that or a simple Un*x LF.

The first 32 non-printable characters in the ASCII chart are control characters like ctrl-G (bell, BEL), ctrl-I (horizontal tab, HT), and other teletype controlling codes. The last 5 of the first 32 aren't mapped to control sequences, but include the value for the escape (ESC) key.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascii for more info.



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#124483 - 09/18/04 12:16 PM Re: little finger
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CarriageReturn-LineFeed = Return

Of course, pre-caffeine, I mixed up the DOS/Windows CR-LF and the pre-X MacOS CR. Sorry about that ... sip.


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#124484 - 09/18/04 01:27 PM Re: little finger
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My little finger is now going in a vertical direction over my head...

Thanks, Faldage...even though when I hear 'carriage' I think:

typewriter
horse
posture

...not necessarily in that order.


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#124485 - 09/18/04 04:45 PM Re: little finger
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Deep down in the guts of the machine the carriage return returns the carriage and the line feed moves the
print head down one line relative to the paper. This would be on a movable printhead printer.
Translation to a computer monitor should be reasonably obvious.

Doing one without the other will not produce the desired results:

Just doing a line feed
                       would produce something like this.

Just doing a carriage return would cause the second line to be printed over the first. Depending on the OS
and the keyboard hitting the return key will generate one, the other or both and the OS will fill in anything
missing to produce the desired result.

Or something like that.



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#124486 - 09/27/04 07:38 PM Re: little finger
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Duuuh, is thet th big butun whut sez enter?

which on spellcheck comes out as "Dvorak is Thetis Thai big butyl why shabby enter?"


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#124487 - 09/27/04 07:49 PM Re: little finger
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AttualŪ, it says return on my keyboard.


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#124488 - 09/27/04 07:55 PM Re: little finger
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Enter be the long, skinny one, over there by the numbahs...

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