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#122913 02/15/04 05:09 PM
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http://www.the-tls.co.uk/this_week/story.aspx?story_id=2106394

The safest storehouse for writers to fetch words from is their own head. In it are the words and phrases, read and heard, that have struck or pleased them. Among these will be the colloquialisms, the neologisms, the new metaphors hatched out of current events, that are unlikely to be in any existing list. Only the treasury of the mind can supply just those turns of phrase with which writers express their own thoughts and not somebody else’s.



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onomasiological?


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onomasiology - the study of the principles of nomenclature, esp. with regard to regional, social, or occupational variation. Hence onomasiologic, onomasiological adjs., onomasiologist.


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My old man's an onomasiologist
What do you think about that?
He wears an onomasiologist's collar,
He wears an onomasiologist's hat.
He wears an onomasiologist's raincoat,
He wears an onomasiologist's shoes,
And every Saturday evening,
He reads the Onomasiologist's News.




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must have been communion today...



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#122918 02/16/04 12:00 PM
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So was your uncle. They were a yoke o' onomasiologists.



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a yoke o' onomasiologists.

I rest my case.


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Lord have mercy, you-all: this was a great* article, and y'all have completely ignorified it!

*For ex.: all its chosen words under a thousand headings marked off in six main classes (abstract relations, space, organic matter, intellect, volition, and sentient and moral powers), with a long alphabetical index at the back. What an odd (to me) way to organize something!

And, about Roget: In plain terms, he was an amateur. He was a doctor who liked making lists, and his longest list was of words. His purposes were not scholarly; they were practical. Words were tools. He did think there was one high purpose the Thesaurus might serve: since its plan could be applied to any language, the work might ease the growth of a universal language. But his main aim was simply to help people compose the written or the spoken word well.

The word welkin sent me on a Search--what fun this thread was, and is to read again. Guess what? Flatlander beat us ALL to "bling-bling"!
http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=16695




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that's a fun read, Jackie. thanks!



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onomasiological?

In lexicography, there are two broad kinds of dictionaries: those based on onomasiological principles (i.e., based on semantic fields and shared properties of meaning, aka thesauri) and semasiological principles (i.e., based on the form of the words or on orthographic or phonological considerations, aka your garden-variety dictionary).

On lexicography as a discipline, you could do worse than finding and reading Ladislav Zgusta's Manual of Lexicography, Mouton, 1971.

Online, I find this page:

http://coral.lili.uni-bielefeld.de/EAGLES/WP5/termdeliv97/node13.html

Those familiar with object-oriented programming may find the discussion of the three major types of relation in onomasiologicy interesting: i.e., taxonomy (is-a), mereonomy (has-a), and predication (has-prop).


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