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#119720 - 01/13/04 08:59 AM Re: swarming glotti
gotta love that!
and thanks, Dr. Bill. I should have looked it up..._________________________
formerly known as etaoin...
#119721 - 01/13/04 09:02 AM Re: The Link
Great looking site there, nuncle. Thanks.
#119722 - 01/13/04 09:37 AM Re: 'Y' Not?
Couldn't resist to give the old form of Milano, Mediolanum, meaning 'middle plain'. It's a Celtic placename, and there was one in Britannia: now Whitchurch in Shropshire.
#119723 - 01/13/04 12:35 PM Re: Wimple ?
Loc: New England, USA
one of the newer orders,(RC) the sisters of charity,
Helen - were they the nuns that had the big white wimples like the one Sally Field wore in "The Flying Nun?" or was that the Sisters of Mercy?
#119724 - 01/13/04 01:00 PM Re: Wimple ?
Loc: rego park
the nuns of 'the flying nun' (i don't know what order they where) are much older... and their head dress/hat is very similar to dutch hats of 16th (17th?) century..and the order is from belgium(area) originally.--i don't know if it was belgium proper (or some border town)
very few orders 'go world wide'.. most have home lands, and countries that they selected for missionary work..
i had ursulines as elementry teachers, they are a french order, and had missions in the 1700's in french canada, and new orlean. (general jackson, on the eve of the 'battle of 1812 dined and (slept) in the guest house of the ursuline convent (just out side the city)
the french --as rulers- left north america, but the ursulines stayed behind. (and still have a big 'mother house' in Montreal)
the sisters of charity, were founded by mother seton..(the first american born woman to be named a saint)and their habits (i spent 10 seconds or so looking for a picture) are some thing similar to the way mother seton is dressed in this photo..
very much like widows weeds of the mid 1800's._________________________
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#119725 - 01/13/04 01:09 PM Re: Wimple ?
the Sisters of Mercy?
It was the Sisters of Rocky.
#119726 - 01/13/04 03:07 PM Out of order
Loc: Seattle, Washington, USA
The Flying Nun lived in the convent of San Tanco, on top of a hill near San Juan, Puerto Rico, but I don't think we ever learned the name of the order to which she belonged.
#119727 - 01/13/04 03:17 PM Re: Wimple ?
Loc: lower upstate New York
the Sisters of Rocky
That's a load of Bullwimple.
#119728 - 01/13/04 04:57 PM Re: Wimple ?
Loc: Metro Detroit (MI)
The Flying Nun's order was completely fictional. Their habit was modeled - sort of - on that of the Daughters of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul, an order founded by St. Vincent in France in mid-1600s. I do some work for Providence Hospital in Michigan - which was a Daughters of Charity hospital until a couple of years ago when it merged with a health system sponsored by the Sisters of St. Joseph. Anyway, the cornette was the winged wimple you're thinking about. No time to find a photo right now; will come back and do so.
Edit: Can't believe there are no pictures out there; we have a million in the hospital archives. Well, the first page of this newsletter has a drawing of a Daughter of Charity that will give you the idea of what the cornette looked like. http://www.dochs.org/who_we_are/caritas_spring_2003.pdf
#119729 - 01/13/04 05:16 PM flying nuns and other myths
Loc: rego park
well the whole thing was a sit/com, and the nuns seemed to have a life quite unlike any nuns i knew, and i had several cousins who were members of different regilious orders, so i got see/learn about rules and religious orders (as well as learning a thing or two from the ursulines)
there is an order of nuns, (dedicated to teaching and healing the sick ) that do wear elaberate folded head dresses..similar enough to the ones on the show.
the style of head dress that was common enough at the time the order was founded (just as nuns mother theresa 'order' wear sari's)-- nuns habits look strange now, because the reflect styles of the past..
most RC priest are just priests--not members of a specific 'order' they wear a collar, and cassock (sometimes--manytimes they just wear a collar).
there are also 'orders' of brothers(monks) that also include priests--and there are orders of just priests, --like the jesuits,-- an order that has as part of its function, a dispensation from wearing any sort of habit, or special clothing..jesuits are part of the papal equivelent of the CIA--and are undercover priests, and wear 'street clothing'
many ordersof monks, ie, fransicans, (mostly monks, but may also be priests) also wear anchronistic clothes/habits.
franciscans wear coarse *brown wool robes, (and coarse wool under robes) they are tied with rope (not leather) and they wear simple leather sandles (not shoes) -- and special permission has to be granted to them to wear socks even in the cold weather (like now in NY, temp is close to freezing, and is expected to be well below freezing mark tomorrow).
*actually the franciscans wear coarse wool robes make from native wool. in England, they tended to wear grey wool (unbleached simple wool) and were called the 'grey friars'.
many orders of monks are 'cloistered' (as are a percentage of nuns)--they are less often seen._________________________
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