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#119661 - 01/12/04 12:28 PM Grail
lautreamont Offline
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I am reading a book in english with the title "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and I was hoping that some of you fine english speaking folks would give me an idea of with the word grail means to the English speaker. Thank You

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#119662 - 01/12/04 12:38 PM Re: Grail
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Grail to me has always meant first a chalice or cruet in which Joseph of Aramathia caught the blood of the crucified Jesus in European Christian legend, and second, a sort of dish that is always full of food from some older Celtic legends. HB, HG is a fun read as long as you don't take it too seriously. The authors play pretty fast and loose with history, and the border between their imagination and history and even legend is pretty fuzzy. I enjoyed it the same way I do various conspiracy theories of history and/or UFOlogistical books: i.e., as a genre of fiction. There is a Yahoo Group that is dedicated to the book and its sequels. [NB: The above is the opinion of a secular humanist and is not meant to disparage anybody elese's beliefs.]


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#119663 - 01/12/04 12:41 PM Re: Grail
of troy Offline
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with out consulting a dictionary, i would say GRAIL is a word the refers to a wine goblet, specifically the one used by jesus at the last supper.

(which is why you almost always see grail paired with holy.)

the existence of the goblet jesus used is mythical--and in some myths (english ones) its to be found in england. in the indiana jones movie, the grail was to be found in what looked like etheopia, (or north west africa somewhere).

there are many myths associated with the holy grail, (healing powers, etc).

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#119664 - 01/12/04 12:42 PM Re: Grail
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In the book The DaVinci Code the author plays around with the word as Sangreal, dividing it San Greal, Holy Grail, and Sang Real, Royal Blood.


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#119665 - 01/12/04 12:43 PM Re: Grail
maverick Offline
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> a secular humanist

I likes yah more and more, nuncle :)


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#119666 - 01/13/04 08:59 AM Re: Grail [spoilers for HB, HG!]
jheem Offline
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This is, of course, one of the main premises of the HB, HG book(s). That the name of the vessel is a mistake. What the initiated are really talking about is the Merovingian bloodline that originated when Jesus faked his crucifiction, married Mary Magdalene, and high-tailed it to Southwestern France to raise a family.

Nobody has ever come up with a suitable or commonly agreed upon etymology for grail.


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#119667 - 01/13/04 07:33 PM Re: Grail [spoilers for HB, HG!]
Capfka Offline
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. What the initiated are really talking about is the Merovingian bloodline that originated when Jesus faked his crucifiction, married Mary Magdalene, and high-tailed it to Southwestern France to raise a family.

You know, you could get to like the guy if this were true. Makes him kinda, um, human!


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#119668 - 01/13/04 07:46 PM Re: Grail [spoilers for HB, HG!]
wwh Offline
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From the Internet:"
The Grail was sought by the knights of King Arthur in several medieval romances, the earliest of which was the late-twelfth-century Perceval by Chretien de Troyes. The quest for the Grail, which can only be found by a hero free from sin, is treated at length in the Morte d’Arthur (circa 1469) of Sir Thomas Malory and in Wolfram von Eschenbach's epic, Parzifal (circa 1210), which inspired the German composer Richard Wagner's opera Parsifal (1877-82). See Glastonbury, Templars and Merlin.




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#119669 - 01/13/04 08:21 PM Re: Grail [spoilers for HB, HG!]
lautreamont Offline
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Registered: 01/09/04
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Loc: Prague
Americans have a very differnt idea of what most of the peope I talk to belive it is. We are quite certian here that is no cup. This is very interestiing.. I finished the book and it was a good read I wunder where these men get there ideas from. I cannot prove them wrogn but it would be interesting to see how much one could prove.

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#119670 - 01/13/04 11:42 PM Re: Grail
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I am Le Compte De Le Holy Grail and you have been waiting for me.

Drink up.


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