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#119068 - 01/07/04 05:51 PM Sea Change
gift horse Offline
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Recently an old friend of mine mentioned that he has undergone a sea change. Other than in Shakespeare, I hadn't heard this used much before. Does sea change imply a positive or negative change? Is it used regionally or have I just been living in a cave too long?

Thanks!
Dawn the Hermit


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#119069 - 01/07/04 05:53 PM Re: Sea Change
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I've always thought positive, but don't know that I've thought about it...

OneLook says: noun: a profound transformation

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#119070 - 01/07/04 06:27 PM Re: Sea Change
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Interestingly enough, sweet hermit, the last time this came up some people seemed to think if anything it was overused!

Perhaps in the interim there has been a sea change in us(e)age yet again... sea what you think of the previous discussion here, if you want:

http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=31542


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#119071 - 01/07/04 06:38 PM Re: Sea Change
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It seems to me the price of a "sea change" is far too high:

ARIEL sings

Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell



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#119072 - 01/07/04 08:05 PM Rats!
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I performed an AWAD search and didn't find it listed, so thought (silly me) that it hadn't been discussed. Oh, the life of an embryo member...

Seriously, thank you for the link, sir maverick. I'll read the thread now.


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#119073 - 01/07/04 08:14 PM Re: Sea Change
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It seems to me the price of a "sea change" is far too high:

Indeed! It's almost an advertisement for constancy. Personally, I think sameness is under-rated.

And thank you for including the quote. It's been ages since I read that. All I could recall was, "Those are pearls that were his eyes". Lovely imagery.


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#119074 - 01/07/04 08:57 PM Re: Sea Change
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"Those are pearls that were his eyes". Lovely imagery. Ick...ick--no it isn't! It means he's dead, horribly dead. Brings up mental images of scavengers eating his eyeballs. [I still hate Shakespeare e]



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#119075 - 01/07/04 10:40 PM Re: Sea Change
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gift horse wrote:
"Those are pearls that were his eyes". Lovely imagery.

Then Jackie wrote:
Ick...ick--no it isn't! It means he's dead, horribly dead. Brings up mental images of scavengers eating his eyeballs. [I still hate Shakespeare e]

Yes. Okay, perhaps I misused 'lovely' here. But I still maintain that it's terrific imagery, in the sense that it brings a distinct and unflinching image to the mind.

I love Shakespeare. He gave the equivalent of the cinema to his day...and to ours for that matter. Much better than Hollywood.


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#119076 - 01/07/04 11:17 PM Re: Rats!
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Dear Dawn ~

I apologize for those situations where a new member of the board uses our highly-unreliable search function to ascertain that a topic has not previously been "done" and then gets pounced on for posting about such a topic, which turns out to have been "done" but not so's the search function reveals it. To the extent that such pouncing is inhospitable, please forgive us all. We don't mean to be mean ... we just are, sometimes.




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#119077 - 01/07/04 11:40 PM Re: Rats!
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Thank you, Father Steve.

No offense taken at all, though, really. I see now that I didn't switch to "all posts" on the search engine. I'm still learning; slowly to be sure, but learning, at any rate.

Best Regards,
Dawn


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