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#116834 - 11/28/03 05:17 PM the root of all evil
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A verse in the Bible is often misquoted. Dickens does, or at least puts into the mouth of a character a sample of the error:

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From the Bible. Often misquoted as 'money is the root of all evil'. Timothy 6:10. 'For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.'

Mr. Merdle is a fabulously wealthy businessman. The whole discussion is about money. No mention of the love of money.

"Bar came up.
Bar, with his little insinuating jury droop, and fingering his
persuasive double eye-glass, hoped he might be excused if he
mentioned to one of the greatest converters of the root of all evil
into the root of all good,"


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#116835 - 11/28/03 05:21 PM Re: the root of all evil
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my Dad always said pride was the root of all problems in the world... he's got a point worth considering.

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#116836 - 01/02/04 08:21 AM Re: the root of all evil
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"We believe in ourselves as we do not believe in others. We permit all things to ourselves, and that which we call sin in others is experiment for us."

"Every sweet has its sour; every evil its good."

--Emerson

"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."

--Henry Youngman

"Whenever I'm caught between two evils, I take the one I've never tried."

--Mae West



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#116837 - 01/02/04 09:48 AM Re: the root of all evil
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"my Dad always said pride was the root of all problems in the world... he's got a point worth considering."

Dear etaoin: There is pride that makes us unwilling to cheat or steal or behave like an animal.
Regrettably pride can make us reluctant to admit and
correct our errors, and makes us conceited and aloof,
the pride that goeth before a fall.


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#116838 - 01/02/04 07:00 PM Re: the root of all evil
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Two different words in Indonesian: bangga and sombong.

Bangga is a justifiable pride in one's achievements, sombong is an arrogant conviction that you are more important than anyone else.

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#116839 - 01/02/04 07:44 PM Re: bang bong
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ah. once again, English comes up short.

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#116840 - 01/03/04 06:47 AM Re: bang bong
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We do need these two words, Bingley, to add on to our beloved English, bangga and sombong. Many thanks for giving them to us here. We come short and just have phrases: 'pride in one's work' and 'arrogant pride' as you indicated.


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#116841 - 01/03/04 04:32 PM Love is stronger than justice
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There is pride that makes us unwilling to cheat or steal or behave like an animal.

The word one uses to describe those reservations depends on why one learned those values. Pride has nothing to do with why I hold them, but.

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Pride in one's accomplishments is the first step toward conceit. Because it's unspoken or spoken minimaly doesn't justify it. I agree with etaoin's Dad completely.

I'm happy that things are done, or someone has relief, or things are "moving along on the right track" or less cumbersome, etc... at the end of the night after a four hour jam session or dance party, I'm thrilled to be a part of making music and enjoyment (I hope) for so many people in a not always enjoyable world, but there is no pride involved.

There is no room for pride in the arts just as there is no room for competition in a democracy.


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#116842 - 01/03/04 04:57 PM Re: Love is stronger than justice
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Dear musick: There is quiet pride and ostentatious pride.
A good musician's artistic pride makes him avoid sour notes and wrong tempo.


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#116843 - 01/03/04 05:29 PM Re: Love is stronger than justice
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I thought that was my years of practice avoiding the aural punishment...


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