#115755 - 11/13/03 07:29 PM
Re: "have got"?
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 08/27/02
Posts: 2154
Loc: British Columbia, Canada
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I agree with Bingly here. "Have got" should imply possession or receipt. People often say, for example, "I've got a cold," but, grammatically speaking, they'd be more correct to say "I have a cold."
In a slightly different context, one might say, for example, "I was with my ailing nephew, and now I've gotten a cold." Note, however that one would use "gotten" here, instead of got.
yabut, yabut,
how come you can say "I am with my nephew."(who is very cute by the way) meaning present tense.
and "I was with..." meaning past tense that ended in the past.
and "I have been with ..." meaning past tense that extends to or stops at the present. OR emphasis ("I have so been with...")
and "I have" present
and "I got" past
but not "I have got" continuing past or emphasis.
Why shouldn't you use "have" to modify the verb for "be in possesion of" in the same way it modifies other verbs.
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#115758 - 11/13/03 08:59 PM
Re: It's hoi polloi time again
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 08/27/02
Posts: 2154
Loc: British Columbia, Canada
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"He has been being got at." Parse that, professor 
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#115760 - 11/13/03 09:43 PM
Re: It's hoi polloi time again
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enthusiast
Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 320
Loc: Sarasota, Florida, US
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Why do I keep thinking about this old ditty? (As a lyricist Tom Lehrer's really got the stuff.)
I love my friends and they love me
We're just as close as we can be
And just because we really care
Whatever we get, we share!
I got it from Agnes
She got it from Jim
We all agree it must have been
Louise who gave it to him
Now she got it from Harry
Who got it from Marie
And ev'rybody knows that Marie
Got it from me
Giles got it from Daphne
She got it from Joan
Who picked it up in County Cork
A-kissin' the Blarney Stone
Pierre gave it to Shiela
Who must have brought it there
He got it from Francois and Jacques
Aha, lucky Pierre!
Max got it from Edith
Who gets it ev'ry spring
She got it from her Daddy
Who just gives her ev'rything
She then gave it to Daniel
Whose spaniel has it now
Our dentist even got it
And we're still wondering how
But I got it from Agnes
Or maybe it was Sue
Or Millie or Billie or Gillie or Willie
It doesn't matter who
It might have been at the pub
or at the club, or in the loo
And if you will be my friend, then I might ...
(Mind you, I said "might" ...)
Give it to you!
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#115761 - 11/14/03 12:05 AM
Re: "have got"?
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 04/09/00
Posts: 3065
Loc: Jakarta
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Nobody ever told me that 'have got' was common. We were advised not to use too many gets in succession (avoid: I got up early but by the time I got downstairs my brother had got all the good cereal. I got my own back when we were getting on the bus because I got him all embarrassed in front of this girl he wants to get off with .....).
The get passive is mainly used in speaking and is useful. It's only used for actions and not states so it resolves the ambiguity in "The window was broken". Are we talking about the fact that the window was in several pieces or about something that happened to the unoffending pane of glass? If we say "The window got broken", it must mean the latter. It seems a perfectly natural extension of the difference between "She was drunk" and "She got drunk."
I think passives with get also imply that without actually performing the action, the subject (if animate) did do something to bring the action about. For example, there is a much stronger implication of misbehaviour in "He got arrested" than in "He was arrested".
Bingley
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