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#114964 - 11/03/03 09:38 PM Re: In Chicago, they say ...
Father Steve Offline
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so, how would you re-phrase the original statement?

ORIGINAL STATEMENT: "Mount Marty opened as a junior college (in the midst of the Great Depression) in 1936, and its first four-year bachelor degrees were awarded on May 29, 1951."

SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVE: "Mount Marty opened as a junior college (in the midst of the Great Depression) in 1936, and began to grant the four-year Bachelor of Arts degree in 1951."




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#114965 - 11/03/03 10:47 PM But...
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We don't know from the original statement that only BA degrees were awarded. BS degrees might have been awarded as well.


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#114966 - 11/04/03 05:29 AM Re: But...
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thanks, FS. and JohnH, I'll check into that.

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#114967 - 11/04/03 07:39 AM Re: But...
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Here is an example of a descriptivist triumph, and for all practical and otherwise purposes, a feminist one - Undergraduate rather than Bachelor.


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#114968 - 11/04/03 08:20 AM Re: Undergraduate
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Heh, maahey. I like it. But would we possessivise it?


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#114969 - 11/04/03 08:24 AM Re: But...
Faldage Online   sleepy
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Undergraduate rather than Bachelor.

It has a certain aura of the oxymoron to it. Once one gets the degree one is no longer an undergraduate, is one?


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#114970 - 11/04/03 04:21 PM Re: But...
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Bachelor-level degrees are sometimes referred to as "undergraduate degrees". The expectation is that the graduate will go on to do postgraduate degrees.

Since the qualification is bachelor of [pick your subject], then there is no possessive involved - the "bachelor" is merely an adjective describing "degree". Therefore it is "bachelor degree", although I have to agree with FS about its problems. The use of "undergraduate degree" probably evolved, at least in part, because of this awkwardness.




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#114971 - 11/05/03 12:29 AM Re: But...
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"...I have to agree with FS..."

ANCIENT CHINESE PROVERB: He who agrees with pedantic priest is in good company.




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#114972 - 11/05/03 06:43 AM Re: But...
Faldage Online   sleepy
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So, is it master degree? And how do you refer to the level in general? Bachelor of Arts or Science?


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#114973 - 11/05/03 07:53 AM Look at it this way, Father Steve:
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Some are born pedantic; others achieve pedantry; still others have pedantry thrust upon them.


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