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#112077 09/17/03 10:51 PM
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>So not French

Well, they are idebtifiably a form of French. The first one, in particular was easy to make sense of, and to see it's close relationship with French.


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Ah, I see what they're doing. I went to the Créole page that Jackie gave to see if that French made sense.

These pages seem to have been written by someone who was not really at ease with the French language and who transcribed phonetically what they heard. But not very well!

Sèt tèt chat nan chak sak = Sept têtes de chat dans chaque sac.

There are a lot of Haitian immigrants in Québec (it’s a long story involving the separatists and the French language) and, from firsthand knowledge, I know they do not write like that and would not drop the “de” nor do they use "nan" for "dans." They do not speak badly like all those sentences imply. They just speak with a different accent.

This looks like those bad translations you get from translation sites.



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Well, remember, the above is not French. It's Creole, one of the many creoles that exist in the world. The colonial language in this case was French. There's also the Creole spoken in New Orleans, sharing the same dominant language.

Creoles have many different names; these retain (or maybe originated) the linguistic term (I need to LIU). The Jersey expressions look like a creole to me too, but since I'm not even really sure where Jersey is (unless they talk that way in the land of Whitman O'Neill), I'll reserve further comment until I've had some coffee.

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the above is not French

And when your Haitian friends are talking to you they are probably talking to you in French and not in Creole. They probably speak both.


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Jersey is a channel island. Though it is technically part of the British Isles, it is 14 miles from France. Here is some more about their unique language, which dropped out of sight completely about 50 years ago.
http://snurl.com/2eyj

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Ok, why Bergerac, please? But, man, what a great link--thank you! Look:
Ancient Norman French continued in use in Jersey until at least the 1800's. Although the official written language was French, Jèrriais was spoken.

I wonder if Jèrriais would translate to "Jersey-ese"?
And isn't this neat:
La Société Jersiaise was formed in 1873 - their resolution was to study the history of the language and the island.

In 1908 Jèrriais was introduced into the Eisteddfod

What's the Eisteddfod?




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Ok, why Bergerac, please? Bergerac was a crime drama series that ran on the BBC for most of the 1980's, star John Nettles played recovering alcoholic detective sergeant Jim Bergerac. /end quote. There's an hotel there called Bergerac and everything.
What's the Eisteddfod? Eisteddfodau are grand gatherings of poets, musicians and storytellers-bards in other words. They have them all over Wales, and a few in Cornwall and other places, evidently, they have them in Jersey too. The biggest one is in Llangollen, it's a really huge deal, last time I sang there when I was a kid, Pavarotti was on after us. There's a thing called the national Eisteddfod too which is held every year in North and South Wales alternately. I don't think it's the same thing but it could be I spose. Hey, are there any Welsh tongue twisters or would that be just TOO difficult.




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There's an hotel

Heh. She did it. Unbidden and everythang.
Pardon my crossthread. Please resume your normal activities.


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that one wuz fer you anna


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There's an hotel there Er...on Jersey?
And--do you-all normally say on the BBC? We don't use the article.


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