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#108314 07/22/03 04:15 PM
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at a church staff meeting yesterday, we had a short discussion wondering about this word, and also it's relationship to words such as orthodox and paradox.

what say the board?



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Ant's grateful for your dek - what a fascinating family of words from this root.


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damn decent of you, Fald! great stuff. wish I understood half of it, or maybe even a tenth...



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Dear etaoin: Doxology is from a root meaning praise.
The othetr two are from a root meaning teaching or opinion.
I always like the Doxology. Only four lines, and I could head for home. Praise be.....


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Many church people think that the last verse of the hymn text "Awake, my Soul, and with the Sun, written by Thomas Ken in the 17th century, IS "The Doxology." Here is that text:

Praise God, from Whom all blessings flow;
Praise Him, all creatures here below;
Praise Him above, ye heavenly host;
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

But there are many other doxologies, any one of which might be a legitimate candidate for being called "The Doxology."

For example, the last bit of the Lord's Prayer is its doxology:

"For Thine is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" (Matthew 6:13)

For another example, in Roman Catholic prayer, the following is considered "The Doxology":

Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.

... or in English (which presumably God translates back into Latin in His head) ...

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

The Greek Orthodox use the term to refer to yet another hymn altogether.

It rarely makes sense to say/write "The Doxology" without explaining which one is in mind.





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Well, thanks, Fr. Steve. I had never heard the Kent doxology, and I know that the famous Lord's Prayer doxology is an add-on of dubious canonicity, now missing from many more modern translations, including the RSV. The doxologies I am most familiar with are those that close each book of the Psalms, at Psalms 41, 72, 89, 106 and 150.


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The doxologies I am most familiar with are those that close each book of the Psalms, at Psalms 41, 72, 89, 106 and 150.

An excellent further example!




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which presumably God translates back into Latin in His head

Into Hebrew. It's into Hebrew which He translates it back in His head.


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I think the thing marked "Doxology" in the Catholic missal (not with me at the moment) is the part at the end of the Eucharistic Prayer:

Through him, with him, in him,
In the unity of the Holy Spirit,
All glory and honour is yours almighty Father,
Forever and ever.


Followed hot on the heels by the Great Amen (not to be confused with the Mediocre Amen).


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