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#102951 05/09/03 01:27 PM
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AHD derives etymology from Greek:
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

matronymic

SYLLABICATION: mat·ro·nym·ic
PRONUNCIATION: mtr-nmk
VARIANT FORMS: also me·tro·nym·ic (mtr-, mtr-)
ADJECTIVE: Of, relating to, or derived from the name of one's mother or maternal ancestor.
NOUN: A name so derived.
ETYMOLOGY: Greek mtrnumikos, dialectal variant of mtrnumikos : mtr, mtr-, mother; see metro– + onuma, name; see n-men- in Appendix I.



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Ledasdottir would be a matronymic.


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matronym (MA-truh-nim) noun
- A name derived from the name of a mother or maternal ancestor. Also metronym.
[From Latin metr- (mother) + Greek -onym (name, word).] Derive from Latin materia, woody part of a tree, its source of growth. Ultimately offspring of the Indo-European root mater-.
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Have you forgotten? It al derived from Indo-European roots! Emphasis on India, forget the Latin and Greek. Now we just need to trace it further back to Alma Mater - Afrika! And we'll be all right.

In russian language we have the word - mater [transliterated, pronounced [mah-ter',with soft 'r'], meaning - you know what. Other variant is the word - mat'
[transliterated, pronounced [mah-t', with soft 't']. And of course - mama, international first word of almost any child.
Aren't we proud descendants or what?



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Dear immigrantus: And a baby's first vocalization is name of what it wants most, mamma = breast.


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In Spanish, mamar v. to suckle, to suck milk from the breast


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In Portuguese, too.


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i went searching for the relationship between matronym and mamallian, and at first was stumped, since mamallian end at a latin root 'ma' but looking further, its clear that matronym also goes back to the same root

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from Bartelby's:
mammal
Any of various warm-blooded vertebrate animals of the class Mammalia, including humans, characterized by a covering of hair on the skin and, in the female, milk-producing mammary glands for nourishing the young.
ETYMOLOGY: From Late Latin mammlis, of the breast, from Latin mamma, breast. See m-2 in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: mam·mali·an (m-ml-n)
http://www.bartleby.com/61/81/M0068100.html
but when i checked matronmy, i got sent to a different root, (see link below) and got this...
mter-
DEFINITION: Mother. Based ultimately on the baby-talk form m-2,
the same root referred to in mamilian with the kinship term suffix *-ter-.
Derivatives include mother1, matrix, and matter.
1a. mother1, from Old English mdor, mother; b. mother2, from Middle Dutch moeder, mother. Both a and b from Germanic *mdar-. 2. alma mater, mater, maternal, maternity, matriculate, matrix, matron; madrepore, matrimony, from Latin mter, mother. 3. metro-; metropolis, from Greek mtr, mother. 4. material, matter, from Latin mteris, mteria, tree trunk (< “matrix,” the tree's source of growth), hence hard timber used in carpentry, hence (by a calque on Greek hl, wood, matter) substance, stuff, matter. 5. Demeter, from Greek compound Dmtr, name of the goddess of produce, especially cereal crops (d-, possibly meaning “earth”). (Pokorny mtér- 700.)
http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE298.html
mter-
DEFINITION: Mother. Based ultimately on the baby-talk form m-2, with the kinship term suffix *-ter-.
Derivatives include mother1, matrix, and matter.
1a. mother1, from Old English mdor, mother; b. mother2, from Middle Dutch moeder, mother. Both a and b from Germanic *mdar-. 2. alma mater, mater, maternal, maternity, matriculate, matrix, matron; madrepore, matrimony, from Latin mter, mother. 3. metro-; metropolis, from Greek mtr, mother. 4. material, matter, from Latin mteris, mteria, tree trunk (< “matrix,” the tree's source of growth), hence hard timber used in carpentry, hence (by a calque on Greek hl, wood, matter) substance, stuff, matter. 5. Demeter, from Greek compound Dmtr, name of the goddess of produce, especially cereal crops (d-, possibly meaning “earth”). (Pokorny mtér- 700.)
http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE298.html



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As an interesting, if convoluted, twist, a couple I know in Dunedin, Zild, married and retained their own names. When they had children, the poor kids were lumbered with both of their parents' surnames, no hyphen. So, assuming that my mother's name was Jane Jones and my father's name was Davy Price, my name would be Jim Jones Price. Both patronym and matronym in one name, really.


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From what I recall of my time in Spain, this was common practice over there, and presumably in the Spanish-speaking parts of the New World as well.

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If I remember right(ly?) the Spanish version would be Jim Price de Jones. And if the sister Anna married a Smith I think she would be Anna Smith de Price. Corrections anyone?

Further twist:What happens when two hyphenated people have kids


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