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This is a total stab, but is there a relation to seance, which means a sitting. Couldit be that beau-seant has something to do with sitting pretty, on top of the world, so to speak, which might imply some sort of nobility?
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well, here's an interesting thing. when you google "beau seant" (with a space) you get a handful of sites which claim the meaning is "be noble" or "be glorious". but Google, as is its wont, asks: Did you mean: "beauseant"? if you take that link you get a whole bunch more links which specify that "beauseant" is the *name* of the Templar banner The Beauseant from the archives of The Most Revd. Gary Beaver KGCTJ "Our Order adopted a striped white and black banner, called the Beauseant, after the original piebald horse; and this word also became the battle-cry." ..I don't know, maybe we don't want to delve too much further into this eldritch Templar... <arrggghhhh.....>
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...I don't know, maybe we don't want to delve too much further into this eldritch Templar...
This subject was never worth delving into in the first place, tsuwm.
Better late to this insight, than never, I suppose.
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a relation to seance,
AHD traces séance back to the Old French seoir, to sit. The modern French is s'asseoir, which might be part of the reason we're having such trouble googling or translating séant. If it's Old French I would say that the -ant ending makes it look like a third person plural verb and the translation might could be something like "they sit pretty."
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There are many spellings of beaucéant ( beauséant, bauceans, and beauçant). There are almost as many etymologies. One page I found offered the one mentioned here as coming from a Provençal word meaning 'piebald': bausan. The word bausan is traced by Meyer-Lübke to the Latin word balteus 'girdle; swordbelt' and whence the English belt. http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/rord.html#templarYou could try contacting these guys who're writing an online encyclopaedia of the Templars: http://www.templiers.org/
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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I want to know more about the original piebald horse. The original when? who's horse? why did the Templars care about a horse? etc?
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FWIW, Zed:
"The Templars' emblem was a horse carrying two knights, a symbol of poverty and brotherhood. Bernard clearly viewed his rough-hewed band more favorably than he did rich secular knights, noting that Templars were seen 'rarely washed, their beards bushy, sweaty and dusty, stained by their harness and the heat'. The Knights Templars wore white mantels emblazoned with a red cross and rode to battle behind a white and black banner called the Beauseant, after the piebald horsed favored by the order's founders. The same word became their battle cry." - Ancient Wisdom and Secret Sects http://www.lundyisleofavalon.co.uk/templars/tempic09.htmFTR: yes, I saw that "mantels"...and horsed. 
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