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#75605 07/11/02 08:24 PM
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I had a hunch and searched for England travel Pantiles and got a picture, but I
can't figure out yet what "Pantiles" means.

http://www.geocities.com/~arow/html/tunbridge_wells_0498a-x1.html

Unless it means that wide flagstone promenade or whatever it should be called.


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but I can't figure out yet what "Pantiles" means

It's a particular type of roof-tiling, Bill, as used on the "outhouse" (not "backhouse" in this case ) at this property:
http://www.periodproperty.co.uk/ppom012001.htm

Kent is the county adjoining East Sussex, where I live. Definitely has its own unique character and beauty.


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ROYAL TUNBRIDGE WELLS
Museum and Art Gallery
Open Mon/Sat 9.30am-5pm. No admission charge.
A stylish 18th-century spa town. One of the most elegant parts of the town
is the Pantiles, a 17th-century arcade where the gentry of the Regency
period used to gather and take the waters. It now houses specialist shops
and studios, but at its centre is the Chalybeate Spring, where you can still
take a glass of spring water for 25p. The museum/gallery, at the northern
end, has a good collection of local ceramics, Tunbridge ware, and
agricultural relics.


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East Sussex, where I live

Is that the same as South Essex then, FoaB?


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ROYAL TUNBRIDGE WELLS...One of the most elegant parts of the town is the Pantiles

Yes Bill - part of the town named after an architectural feature (the type of roofing in this case), a bit like calling an old part of town The Cobbles. Not to be confused with Cobblers.

"Tunny Wells" is just up the road from me, easy shopping trip distance.



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>East Sussex, where I live
Is that the same as South Essex then, FoaB?


No!

There's certainly reason to your rhyme though - Sussex is a shortening of South Saxons and Essex of East Saxons. The split between East and West Sussex, however, was a relatively recent political/administrative thing.
http://www.camelotintl.com/heritage/counties/england/sussex.html




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Ohhhhhh, thank you, Shona! How utterly lovely! (Hi, dxb.) I WILL get to England, I WILL get to England...
I've heard of several places your link mentioned. It had one sentence that struck me as odd: Sussex is drained north to south by a number of rivers Although true, I'm sure, it would "taste better" to me if it said something like 'several rivers run north to south through Sussex', or 'Sussex gets a great deal of rain, and several rivers help drain off the excess'. The way the link words it, I was expecting to find that Sussex had a drainage system that had been deliberately set up.
Oh--one thing struck me as funny: it mentioned "the Saxon Ella"--made me think of salmonella!
Um--is this where the white cliffs of Dover are?


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'Sussex gets a great deal of rain, and several rivers help drain off the excess'

Love this, J!

Nah, it doesn't really - in fact, Sussex, being about as far South as you can get in England, benefits from fairly mild conditions, and gets a lot less rain than, say, Scotland (hi Jo!) or Ireland (hi Rube!). Or Manchester (hi dody!) at that. A very notable exception was during the floods a couple of years back, but then it was very wet all over the country.

I thought that saying a place "is drained by a number of rivers [going wherever]" or "is drained primarily by the river Ouse [or whatever]" was just correct geographical-type terminology; and I assumed this construction to be global. Is that not the case, then?

"the Saxon Ella"--made me think of salmonella!

The Salmon Ella was, of course, a warrior king of the Salmon that, with some cronies, swam up river and laid waste the spawning grounds of other fish. These other fish found his presence hard to stomach.

More on the Saxon Ella here:
http://63.1911encyclopedia.org/E/EL/ELLA.htm
Not the sort of bloke to pick a fight with, by the sounds of it!

is this where the white cliffs of Dover are?
They're in Kent (and Dover is, incidentally, one of the Cinque Ports http://www.digiserve.com/peter/cinque.htm) - which takes us neatly back to where we started.

A lot of chalk makes up the South Coast of England. The South Downs (gentle rolling hills, slightly inland) run down into the sea (heading towards Kent), where they become eroded, and parts fall away, revealing the white chalk beneath. Thus White Cliffs.


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Oh, oh, Shona, I love it! I've never heard of the Cinque Ports...the term, I mean. Here're a couple of things your link says:
The Cinque Ports were first mentioned in a Royal Charter of 1155 and for certain privileges maintained ships that could be called upon by the Crown in times of strife. ...

According to the original Charter, the members of the Cinque Ports had the right to:

"soc and sac, tol and team, bloowit and fledwit, pillory tumbril infangentheof, outfangentheof, mundbryce waives and strays, flotsam and jetsam and ligan".



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soc and sac, tol and team, bloowit and fledwit, pillory tumbril infangentheof, outfangentheof, mundbryce waives and strays, flotsam and jetsam and ligan

May as well be Lewis Carroll


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